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Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« on: September 03, 2009, 08:14:29 AM »
Hey..
well, i think this appeals to Bruno, so maby you will guide me?
What to use etc.  :)

Michael

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found this pic bruno used in another thread, modified a bit so everyone can undestand it  ;) (my french is a bit rusty..)


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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #1 on: September 03, 2009, 11:32:48 AM »
is this correct? i always thought pin8 = 5v ?

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #2 on: September 03, 2009, 11:52:44 AM »
well, seems like youre wrong..:

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« Reply #3 on: September 03, 2009, 12:23:47 PM »
maybe its nice to put here a schematic like this, but the for VGA - SCART....

or even better , can you just hook a tv through scart to a standard videocard  ???




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« Reply #4 on: September 03, 2009, 12:35:49 PM »
TV for monitors cheapens the machine IMHO - fix the original monitor unless it has awful screen burn

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #5 on: September 03, 2009, 12:36:47 PM »
Pin 8 should be 12V

Pin 16 should be between 1V and 3V. So 5V is actually too much if you check the SCART standards. To prevent any problems use a resistor of 100 Ohms in serie with that connection.

I've written a pretty extensive story about it here:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php?topic=77370.0


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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #6 on: September 03, 2009, 12:41:42 PM »
TV for monitors cheapens the machine IMHO
Why do you think so ? Because the picture would be worse ? That is absolutely not so because we can use the SCART connection for full RGB quality.

It's not that I'm saying throw out all the monitors. Most of the times they can be easily fixed. Plus there's all needed kinds of adjustments, which is not always so with (older) TV's. But if you get TV's like Bruno used, you get the extra deluxe digital set-up menu's which is as good (if not better) than the regular adjustments on a true arcade monitor.

But I agree, I will always try to fix the monitor first. But if (close to) impossible, I use a TV too. Can't see any difference on the outside...

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« Reply #7 on: September 03, 2009, 12:52:16 PM »
ah... good to know. thanks.

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2009, 10:59:42 PM »
Well, i have tried several PCB´s now, and i got picture!!! :) - but only in Black/White  >:( >:( >:(
what the hell??? am i douing somthing wrong?
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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #9 on: September 09, 2009, 08:13:53 AM »
Yes.

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« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2009, 04:51:22 PM »
ok, thanks!

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2009, 05:38:22 PM »
You're welcome !  ;D

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2009, 05:38:59 PM »
To be honest, I remember I had the same problem once, but I can't remember what caused it !

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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2009, 06:51:13 PM »
First I would check the three colors.

Make this test :

1. Remove for example the blue and the red wires... Do you still have a picture?

Yes -> It means that the signal is correct on that wire

2. Remove two others colors ... same question?

If the three colors wires are sending a signal (I think it's the case), I would say your TV cannot fully understand that she have to switch in RGB.
Check the voltage on that specific pin (pin 16, 5V to inject). Note that you can force your TV to switch in RGB by pressing several time the external boutton [->1] on your remote control.

If you get a stable picture, it means that the synchro is fine, don't check that.

If your TV has two scart connectors, only one can understand a RGB signal (most of the time), try two plug on the other connector.
You can also remove the wire that force the TV to switch (pin 8, 12v). On some TV, that make the external channel going mad.

Don't hesitate to try on different TV, you'll be surprised  ;) But don't try on modern TV flat screen... because these new tb TV are able to understand the input signal, and if something go wrong (not exactly a precise voltage expected for example), it displays... a black screen  :shock: Not easy for investigate of course :roll:

Each time I got problem while using PCB to Scart (or VGA to Scart) connector, I'm doing a mix of these tests ...and guess what... I works ALL the time  ;) I've done this more than 20 times, maybe more.

Good luck
 


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Re: Crash Course - How to use a TV for monitor.
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2009, 07:42:17 PM »
bruno has got a good point with the second scart
i remember that in one of the 3 connectors of my tv i have color when i use svideo-scart converter (pc to tv)
the other two grayscale.......