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TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« on: August 05, 2013, 10:24:21 PM »
I picked up a Sprint 2 (my first B&W game!) and the game plays blind. I have neckglow but no picture. It's a Tec TM-623 monitor.

One of the caps on the chassis exploded like a New Years Eve party favor. So, besides a cap kit is there anything else I should be thinking about with this monitor? Should I replace all the frame transistors? Anything I should know about this monitor? Any usual weak spots?

I plan on ordering the cap kit from Bob Roberts and reflowing all the solder. If you have any other tips, I'd love to hear them! Thanks in advance!

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #1 on: August 06, 2013, 09:06:24 AM »
I have seen bad caps, i have seen leaking caps, but i have only seen exploded caps in the case of a major short / fault on the board.

i am curious what happens to the cap when you got a new one in place.

would it be an idea just to change that blown cap first and see what happens ?

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #2 on: August 06, 2013, 04:11:05 PM »
I have seen bad caps, i have seen leaking caps, but i have only seen exploded caps in the case of a major short / fault on the board.

i am curious what happens to the cap when you got a new one in place.

would it be an idea just to change that blown cap first and see what happens ?

I think I am gonna shotgun the board and replace all the caps. I have heard many stories about this board just blowing caps. 

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #3 on: August 06, 2013, 04:48:22 PM »
Yeah, capkits are not that expensive so thats probably the most easy way

You dont happen to have a ESR meter ? then you can check the caps before you shotgun the chassis with new caps


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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2013, 04:56:19 PM »
Yeah, capkits are not that expensive so thats probably the most easy way

You dont happen to have a ESR meter ? then you can check the caps before you shotgun the chassis with new caps



My fluke DMM can test capacitance. I never use that feature though. :)

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #5 on: August 07, 2013, 12:34:32 PM »
Yeah, capkits are not that expensive so thats probably the most easy way

You dont happen to have a ESR meter ? then you can check the caps before you shotgun the chassis with new caps



My fluke DMM can test capacitance. I never use that feature though. :)

Nor should you, it's worthless. It won't indicate the thing that makes caps bad: a high ESR (serial resistance). You need a specialized ESR meter to check this correctly.

I have no experience with BW monitors apart from vectors.

Oh, and do a thorough cleaning of the area around the exploded cap. The electrolytic stuff inside eats away everything !!!


I have the Russian ESR meter which has the most value to your dollar IMHO. It has been great ever since I got it and is easily my favourite tool in the hobby.

Have a look here for more info:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3051.0

and a direct link to Mike's ESR meter for just 75 bucks shipped world-wide:
http://www.radiodevices.info/zakaz_e.php

Mike also responds to e-mails himself and quickly, I prefer that over having to deal with a "large business".
« Last Edit: August 07, 2013, 12:40:45 PM by Level42 »

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #6 on: August 07, 2013, 04:13:43 PM »
Yeah, capkits are not that expensive so thats probably the most easy way

You dont happen to have a ESR meter ? then you can check the caps before you shotgun the chassis with new caps



My fluke DMM can test capacitance. I never use that feature though. :)

Nor should you, it's worthless. It won't indicate the thing that makes caps bad: a high ESR (serial resistance). You need a specialized ESR meter to check this correctly.

I have no experience with BW monitors apart from vectors.

Oh, and do a thorough cleaning of the area around the exploded cap. The electrolytic stuff inside eats away everything !!!


I have the Russian ESR meter which has the most value to your dollar IMHO. It has been great ever since I got it and is easily my favourite tool in the hobby.

Have a look here for more info:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3051.0

and a direct link to Mike's ESR meter for just 75 bucks shipped world-wide:
http://www.radiodevices.info/zakaz_e.php

Mike also responds to e-mails himself and quickly, I prefer that over having to deal with a "large business".


Wow, $75.00 for that ESR meter? I never really considered getting one as I usually just shotgun the entire board when doing cap kits. But, I guess it would be ideal for troubleshooting. It works well? Do you need to remove the cap to test it?

And, nice video.... "HEY GUYS!!!" :)

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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #7 on: August 07, 2013, 04:32:45 PM »
Haha, yes guess where I got the inspiration from ;);)

Yep it works perfect and it's not just that you save money, it saves bucket loads of time replacing perfectly OK old caps.

Yes you can test the vast majority in circuit just fine. Only when two caps are put in parallel (like f.i. filter caps on Pac PCBs) you will of course get the double capacity indicated and the ESR will roughly be half of the real value of these caps. So in those pretty rare cases you will have to desolder one of the leads of one of those caps to check them individually.
But that's the same for all ESR testers.

There is also the Peak ESR meter which is about the same but costs a lot more.

Advantages of the Russian one over the Peak:
-price
-proper measuring pens instead of clumsy crocs
-DIL socket for very quickly testing new caps (which is more important to do than you'd think)
-personal support by the maker, he writes English close to perfect

 PLEASE NOTE: the small spots On the display that I mention in the video were only on the plexi protection above the actual display. Mike has upgraded these since so this shouldn't be a problem anymore. I have simply removed the plexi and it looks perfect, just have to be careful not to stick anything into the hole that could damage the display
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Re: TECH: Tec 23" B&W monitors - neckglow, no picture - SPRINT 2
« Reply #8 on: August 07, 2013, 05:08:38 PM »
Forgot to mention: the Russian one also has a higher capacitance range and works just fine on f.i."Big Blue's"

Otherwise the Peak is a nice device too of course :)