Nintendo Space Firebird - HELP!

[simplesi]

Hi,

I finally got my dream cocktail. Thanks for the heads-up Andy!

https://www.dropbox.com/s/3k1556ahp8jposk/20130310_182228.jpg

Anyhoo... got it home and had a wee nosey over it. The condition is reasonable. Internally it's actually quite clean and shiny. The boards look in good nick. It took me a wee while to figure out the sounds (not realising that there were two volume controls on two different PCBs. However, there is a problem that the monitor has collapsed.

Here's a linky to the video I took: http://www.dropbox.com/s/2ke2s4hvydakjw3/20130317_160750.mp4

I don't know if the sounds are correct, and I've no idea what's going on, on screen. The collapsed line, does change colour and it looks like there's things moving.

Any help and advice would be greatly appreciated. I know my way around a soldering iron, but the level of my understanding is basic so layman's terms would be good. 

All original inside, with the Sanyo monitor.

Many thanks in advance.


Si

[Etienne MacGyver]

From Klov:



http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=111041

[simplesi]

Thank you Etienne! Will go over this later. 

[level42]

Not all Nintendo machines have the 20EZ. Considering Space Bird is well pre-DK era, it might be an earlier chassis.

Still, the basics of that flow-chart are the same.

Definitly a vertical collapse, it might be jus the test switch  


Talbe looks nice b.t.w......

[simplesi]

This is probably a stupid question, but the service switch... I see a service button, but not sure where this switch is.

Here's a photo: https://www.dropbox.com/s/mxn0yqqtwx5ilpo/20130310_124016.jpg

I am probably misunderstanding. Are there any schematics of this with the SW301?

Thanks in advance.

[Etienne MacGyver]

just press this switch and see what happens.

my guess is not much, but ok 

[simplesi]

Yeah... it did nothing apart from turn the light from a reddy colour to white. 

Cap kit, here I come. Do you know the best place for this? Bob Roberts? I read somewhere about Twistys?

[Superully]

i'm just doing some cap kits on my sanyos and the deluxe versions from bob roberts, but although his service is great and fast, ordering there is always a pain in the butt!

[Etienne MacGyver]

Yeah... it did nothing apart from turn the light from a reddy colour to white.  

Cap kit, here I come. Do you know the best place for this? Bob Roberts? I read somewhere about Twistys?

I am not sure if a cap is the problem.
many time when you have a vertical collapse, it is a transistor problem, or a bad / cold solderjoint

but in general a capkit does not hurt, although i agree with Andre on this :

https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3051.msg41159#msg41159

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQB7te6SunY

[level42]

Yeah... it did nothing apart from turn the light from a reddy colour to white.  

That's because you activated the test-screen of the game by pressing that button. That is not the test button of the monitor but of the game....



First you will have to know WHAT monitor this is....
If we _assume_ that it is en EZ20, the test switch is a sliding switch, not a push button, just like the flow chart says SLIDE the test switch.....

I also don't think this is a cap issue.....check the flow chart...Apart from failing transistors it can also be poor contacts/bad solderings.

[simplesi]

That's what I was thinking. 

Here's a picture of the iside of the monitor: https://www.dropbox.com/s/u6y93th05z5ajla/20130317_155114.jpg

I guess it's a Sanyo 370EJB22 then?

Do you know where the Test Switch for the monitor should be so I can "slide it"?  I can see it on the Manual I have: https://www.dropbox.com/s/r6n6k7hfi2s0owu/Space%20Firebird%20%28Nintendo%20Cocktail%29%20%5BOperation%5D%20%5BEnglish%5D.pdf

[Etienne MacGyver]

I guess it's a Sanyo 370EJB22 then?

thats a tube number, not the chassis..

i do see a separate (what looks like a) audio board there just like the 20EZ has...

[level42]

The number you mention is the type number of the tube, not of the monitor.

You really need to learn some basics about monitors before going on.

Read this:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=143645

and this:

http://forum.arcadecontrols.com/index.php/topic,45137.0.html

To be honest I don't know where the test switch is as I do not own a cab with a Sanyo 20 EZ and in all honesty I'm surprised by the lack of (good) pictures of the chassis of 20EZ on the internet.

If you do not see the switch on the monitor PCB, it probably isn't there.

That manual says nothing about which monitor is used. Can you make a really clear picture which shows the entire main board of the monitor ?

[level42]

Ah, found a good drawing of a 20EZ chassis:



This comes from this excellent thread about the 20EZ on KLOV forum:
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=111041&highlight=20ez

This is also where the flow-chart comes from. The thread also has more tips about vertical collapse problems...so....read away

[level42]

If you insist on getting a cap-kit, here is an alternative for Bob Roberts:

http://www.highscoresrepair.com/store/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=9_8&products_id=25&zenid=2ae39c130eb6446f289778baae9d8c98

This kit _does_ include the big filter cap, is high quality brand and 105 degr. instead of 85 degr.  BR's kits (he's a great guy, but I never get his kits anymore) lack all these three IMHO essential things....


But again....we must know first which monitor you have...