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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2011, 04:49:06 PM »
Wow, for anyone who owns or going to own a jukebox, this is an excellent free and on-line tool to make very nice inserts for all songs:

http://www.mikesarcade.com/arcade/titlestrips.html

Hadn't expected to find that on an arcade site ;)




WOW  :o

Indeed...great!!

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2011, 08:04:52 PM »
here is another titlestrip download page that I used. there are very nice graphic templates here. :arrow:

http://members.casema.nl/roosmarco/titlestrips.htm

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2011, 08:37:41 PM »
Wohoo, did my first techie work on a jukebox. And man was it complicated !

When I bought it the guy I got it form had pulled out the "service panel" which has a number of switches, one ofmthem a credit switch. He always had the lid open a bit and when he wanted to play he gave some credits on it.
Thought there maybe was a freeplay option and indeed. Did some googling and it was as simple as removing a "price programming card" (nothing more than a couple of diodes and wire bridges on a board, country specific, mine is ...yu guessed it Netherlands) from the "black box". Gotta do it while powered off. Did it and presto, no more fiddling with credit buttons needed :)

@Thorsten: yeah sorry, I tried using your file, but I had trouble centering the texts when I changed them and with all respect it simply didnt work too comfortable i either INkscpae or Adobe Illustrator.

Then I googled and that was the second hit, Wth hindsight I remember I had found it already a couple of years ago but naturally forgot about it :)

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2011, 10:31:09 PM »
@Thorsten: yeah sorry, I tried using your file, but I had trouble centering the texts when I changed them and with all respect it simply didnt work too comfortable i either INkscpae or Adobe Illustrator.Then I googled and that was the second hit, Wth hindsight I remember I had found it already a couple of years ago but naturally forgot about it :)


No problem AndrĂ©.....The Mike'sArcade-Solution is by far easier  ;)

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2011, 12:38:12 PM »
:)

FInally found where the tone controls were (the seller showed me, but I forgot). They're somewhat hidden at the back of the Amplifier. Wow, it sounds a LOT better after adjusting. They're not puts but three-way switches and they sound crackly, which is no wonder of course.

I think I'll be rebuilding at least the amp (but probably more) of the machine, especially the caps. 2011-1970= 41 years old caps....mmmmm.
One of the reasons for wanting to cap it is that there is a noticeable (although not TOO loud) hum, constantly when it's turned on.

I also still have a feeling that this mechanism is somewhere bolted down in transport mode. The reason why I think so is that during play (esp. at higher volume) you get the hum to amplify. It's like an acoustical feed-back which pick-ups are always sensitive to.

But I haven't figured out what bolts this should be....the manual focusses completely on the working of the digital selection and mechanics etc.

It's very interesting to know that this baby uses a toroid (ring-kern) memory to store the selections. So no RAM chips here !
A toroid memory uses several wires to store and read memory etc. by magnetizing and demagnetizing a ferrite ring. I knew about these memories, but this is the first time I actually have one :)

I think I found a way to restore the damaged artwork on the front panel. It looks like these are colored filter strips and behind it there is a piece of cardboard that diffuses the light so you can't see through. Now, one of the guys in the drum band does a lot of stage work (DJing, but also light, sound on stages etc.) so I asked if he had a color sample book of filters that they use for spotlights.
Sure enough he had one and he dropped it off yesterday. Looks like this is going to be the perfect (and cheap !) solution.

I'm talking about these filters:
http://www.leefilters.com/lighting/products/finder/ref:C49F6EC57981C4/

I think I can also fix the damaged painted on lila color around the Seeburg logo this way, but I'll need some cardboard or thick paper to diffuse the light going through there.

The stuff is dirt cheap, and since my friend orders them by the bucket loads I may get even a better price (maybe the best possible price IYKWIM ;)). The filters come in rolls and can be cut to size.

Now, if only I knew how the hell you open/remove the front side so I can actually reach the color part....I'll need to scrape everything blank (or cut if possible)......

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #20 on: December 13, 2011, 06:38:32 PM »
Filters are in....now some time...

I also ordered three new dirt-cheap-China electronic ballasts to replace the old one's. The old fluorescent ballasts in there are (of course) the old-fashioned transformer type. It seems time have gotten to them (especially one) because they produce a pretty loud hum, which is not so clearly present when playing records but totally irritating when it's just on (for the great lighting ;))

There are total 3 TL tubes so 3 of those ballasts. I had to search for 30W type ballasts, and was a bit scared to order these Chinese one's, but I figured that I will never have the jukebox on when I'm not present (in case the worst thing happens ;))

The electronic ballasts are not only running totally silent, they also drive the tubes with a _much_ higher frequency which produces a more "comfortable" light and it also lengthens the life-time of the tubes AND they use up much less power (not unimportant when there's three 30W tubes in there...

I also loosened up the "transport nuts". Ron Rich from phonoland.com mentioned I had to do that after he watched my Youtube video. Not only does it make the mechanism much quitter during changing and (un)loading records, it also improved the sound quality quite a big deal because the mechanism is now "on springs" instead of "one piece" with the rest of the box.

What even more improved sound quality was simply replacing the needles. It clearly was about time !! Much better defined sound now! (But we're not there yet....)


By the way, my favorite song in the box right now is this:
http://youtu.be/rGzU-GVNlqc

(better close your eyes, forget the video and just listen....)

Bit of a re-discovery as I had almost forgotten that excellent tune....thanks Etienne !!!
« Last Edit: December 13, 2011, 06:41:18 PM by Level42 »

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #21 on: December 13, 2011, 08:00:25 PM »
Great to hear you made good improvements !

That is indeed a great song!

I am happy you like the records, they are in a good home now, and will even be played once in a while.
there are some gems between them, but also rubbish  :D

Here they probably ended up in my attic collecting dust, so i am happy they are in your jukebox ;D

Did you clean them, i can imagine they could use some cleaning, since i was not too carefull in the past with them..  :oops:
« Last Edit: December 13, 2011, 08:06:40 PM by Etienne »

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #22 on: December 14, 2011, 08:25:21 AM »
F*CK you GEMA!!  >:(

     





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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #23 on: December 14, 2011, 09:01:55 PM »
F*CK you GEMA!!  >:(

     

Indeed, this is so sad.....in Holland BUMA (our GEMA) struck a deal with Youtube so we can enjoy those videos, I must say for one time I actually like BUMA because of that...

Anyway, the song was Tears Run Rings by Marc Almong (from Soft Cell). Brilliant tune that grows on you each play. I'll bring the 7" next time ;) :) ;)

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2011, 10:11:21 AM »
thanks....just listened to it and of course I know the tune :)

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2011, 06:24:44 PM »
.....and didn't like it ? ;)  ;D


My runner up at the moment is:

http://youtu.be/OOGX-x9UlLs

(For Thorsten, it's Walzing Darling by Malcolm McLaren & The Bootzilla Orchestra)

Another brilliant song and I had about forgotten about it until I popped Etienne's copy in my Seeburg !!!!!!

Why isn't this played more often on the 80's stations ?

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2011, 08:12:15 PM »
Yep, another gem!
Love that song !

now start searching and dig out this 7"  ;)

btw i like this Malcolm McLaren song even more..



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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #27 on: December 19, 2011, 08:55:15 AM »

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2011, 11:16:26 AM »
now start searching and dig out this 7"  ;)

btw i like this Malcolm McLaren song even more..

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Re: My First Jukebox: Seeburg USC1 Bandshell
« Reply #29 on: December 23, 2011, 06:22:56 PM »
Worked on the juke a bit today.

One of the problems with it that there was a pretty loud hum, even when there was nothing playing. The cause was quickly found: The fluorescent ballasts (esp. the one on the front). The originals were still in there. These are of course the old-fashioned transformer type. Transformers can start humming at their supply voltage (f.i. because of age) and this indeed was a clear 50 Hz hum.

So I had been thinking about replacing them with modern-day electronic ballasts.
The advantages are clear enough:

1) no more hum (most important one in this case)
2) saves energy
3) longer tube life
4) no starter required anymore
5) "instant" start, no flashing
6) the tube is run on a high frequency (f.i. 50000 Hz instead of 100 Hz) which gives a more steady light
7) a bit more light

So...I searched and searched and searched for 30W electronics ballasts but couldn't find them. Except for this one:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Electronic-Energy-Saving-Fluorescent-Light-Ballast-30W-/230718596170?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item35b7e6644a#ht_1544wt_1297

It was so dirt cheap (and also looked that way) that I ordered three. They arrived last week. They were smaller then I had expected. I opened one and was amazed with the extremely simple electronics required.
It was screaming China all over the place. Engrish names on the box (the boxes looked like firework boxes). The "schematic" on the label indicate that the left two (white) wires are Ground....mmmm weird.....well they're not of course, they are actually the 230V mains connection :S

The PCB quality wasn't that bad, but I am the entire thing wouldn't pass any UL or European safety norms......

Soooooo, what to do....

Well I thought I'd give them at least a chance. I replaced the worst humming original one and .......I was impressed. Of course, because no more starter is needed I needed to re-arrange the wiring a bit but that was easy enough.
Anyway, it worked great right away, indeed no flashing start-up.
I had the jukebox turned on for an hour or two and nothing bad happened. Then I checked the temperature (by hand) of the electronic ballast and it was completely cool (room temp.). This was a HUGE difference with the original ballast which got pretty damn hot....
Then I checked the tube temperature and this was also running much cooler than the tubes which still had the original ballasts.

It's very clear that this seriously saves energy, esp. if you have 3 tubes running....I mean, this box looks so cool that I'll want to have it turned on just for the cool lighting...

So.....because I will NEVER let the jukebox powered on when I'm away, I decided to use the little Chinese fellows...
Everything is originally fused so...let's say little can go wrong :)

Oh and of course, the hum had completely disappeared after I had replaced all three ballasts.  Me like !

In fact, the less generation of heat if a very good thing for the artwork on the several glasses in the jukebox, and this made me think further, that this would also be a good solution for our cabs. Of course, because we mostly will not have these games on for very much hours, the power consumption difference is not that big, but generating little (or at least much less) heat right behind the (precious) marquee is a very good thing.....
It also saves the worries about starters etc.

It's not like I will now go exchange all the original ballasts in my cabs, but I think I will consider doing it on my next restoration(s).
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