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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #150 on: January 26, 2012, 10:16:14 AM »
Maybe we should make a statue out of it, in honor of the CRT, which has changed the world as we know it.... ;D

Seriously, could you make a picture of that back side, I'd like to see how that looks without the dag....

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« Reply #151 on: January 26, 2012, 10:45:43 AM »
Sure, no problem

Will do tonight after work

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« Reply #152 on: January 27, 2012, 03:23:42 PM »
i did not take the pic yet  :oops:
it was rainy and dark when i got home yesterday, and i had some alu sheets in my hands to cut   :D

i want to take you to another thread for updates on the art, then this topic will not have fragments of that in between posts  :P

https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3318.0

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #153 on: January 27, 2012, 05:33:24 PM »
i did not take the pic yet  :oops:
it was rainy and dark when i got home yesterday, and i had some alu sheets in my hands to cut   :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6B92nPs8lg&feature=youtube_gdata_player



 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D No worries man, there's no rush at all...

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« Reply #154 on: January 28, 2012, 12:51:56 PM »
Maybe we should make a statue out of it, in honor of the CRT, which has changed the world as we know it.... ;D

Seriously, could you make a picture of that back side, I'd like to see how that looks without the dag....

Both tasks executed  ;D


aquadag washed away by rain:
 




And a statue to honor the CRT :D







If you like to buy this fine piece of art, visit marktplaats  ;D

http://link.marktplaats.nl/525354919

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« Reply #155 on: January 28, 2012, 01:06:49 PM »
If you like to buy this fine piece of art, visit marktplaats  ;D

:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #156 on: January 28, 2012, 01:17:58 PM »
Wahahahaaaaaahahahahaaa !!!!!!

Brilliant !!!

And yes, that looks like a very much gone dag...

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« Reply #157 on: January 28, 2012, 01:41:34 PM »

If you like to buy this fine piece of art, visit marktplaats  ;D

http://link.marktplaats.nl/525354919

OMG !!!  :D :D ;D ;D
PROJECTS FROM SCRATCH:

Galaga - PacMan - Donkey Kong Red Cab - Track & Field Upright - Tempest - Burgertime - Gyruss - Defender - Track & Field Cocktail - Robotron 2084

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Q*bert - Timber

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #158 on: January 28, 2012, 02:03:26 PM »
Lol, you already have bids on it, some dutch guy from Ridderkerk offered 1 eur. ;D

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« Reply #159 on: January 28, 2012, 03:42:39 PM »
 ;D ;D ;D ;D

lets keep a screenshot before the add expires  :D
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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #160 on: January 28, 2012, 09:33:53 PM »
Damn ! I've been overbid !! O no !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D

O wel, guess I'll just have to accept my loss.....

Anyway, back to business gentlemen (and the occasional lady):

After having installed the pots on the neck board it was time to finish the monitor !

I wasn't completely satisfied with the red gun's results last time I hooked up the rejuvenator so I hooked it up again and followed all the steps again to first set up the cut-off and then measure the guns to double check. Turns out the red gun was pretty much behind the other two now, do I decided to give that a "clean" as well. Well, here is the result before any rejuving:


and after:


Yes.....nice ! :)

After that I first did some cleaning, also to check the condition of the dag. Turns out that only that part that came loose is damaged. I carefully cleaned the backside of the CRT with a moist sponge. The rest of the dag is well in tact and I'm pretty sure that missing such a small part is not a problem so I'll keep it like that.



Was one of the dirtiest monitors I've seen so far but turned out pretty nice looking from the back...

Close-up of the missing part:


After some dry time it was time to power it up to do the final setting up of the pots...
After some first adjusting I had a pretty good picture:


However I still see some "jittering" in the picture that definitely is not normal. So I start to look for a cause. I had resoldered everything on the neck board already but still I checked every part again (wiggle-wiggle) and the big resistor on the side was loose. Turned out the island had come loose a bit so had to use a wire to fix it properly. Much to my regret it had 0 result on the picture.

Next I started tapping around on the chassis with the back of an isolated (rubbery-grip) screwdriver. I noticed some extra lines happening while tapping the HOT on the right side and on the left side of the HVT. Suddenly I had another problem: the picture went pretty dim on the left while still OK on the right side... I remembered seeing that problem described in Randy Fromm's K4900 flow chart (the 5515 is largely the same as a 4900) and the flow chart pointed to replace C702. Turned out the ting was loose on one soldering !
The leg was very short though so I replaced the cap.

I also reflowed the connector to the yoke since it showed some moving pins when wiggling it and reflowed the HVT solderings and those of the HOT.

Another power up and the problem of the dark left side was gone and the overall picture was a lot better now. However I still see the flickering going on but I noticed that it actually depended on the activity of the game (/PCB).

I mean, when a steady picture was up (like a test screen) there was no flickering at all !
Also when in the attract mode when there is the almost steady map of the track there was no flickering. As soon as the Hard Drivin' logo starts "zooming in" on the top of the screen the flickering starts again. This repeated every time. Also when the car is doing a demo run around the track there is this flickering.

I was suspecting either that the PCB was somehow interfering or maybe that the test switching PSU was having trouble delivering the required current.... I put my DVM over the +5V output in AC mode (yes AC) and I could see that the ripple voltage increased in times when there was flicker. Of course the PCB set is doing it's most work (calculations) when things move on the screen SO my conclusion it is not unlikey the PSU is not keeping up....

So, I figured to leave the problem for now.

I did the best color matching (I referenced to a couple of youtube videos) I could and I am really pretty happy with the results. Yes, you can clearly see that this monitor is 22 years old and that it has been running a lot of hours. It only reminded me how insane lucky I am with the condition of my SW monitor....

If I am extremely critical there are some slight convergence errors in the corners, but they are definitely within spec of production tolerances plus, on full-screen games like this it is barely visible.

So, it is ready to go back into the cockpit !!! Yeah !!

Next will have to be removing the CP to see if I can fix the pot meter problem so we can actually try to do a real race !!
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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #161 on: January 28, 2012, 09:38:45 PM »
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« Reply #162 on: January 28, 2012, 11:59:29 PM »
that looks AWESOME, andré! interesting write-up as well, nicely documented (as always)!
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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« Reply #163 on: January 29, 2012, 12:40:20 AM »
Thanks Ully ! Well, it's not my best looking monitor but it will suffice....

Mmmm, it suddenly occurred to me that I could disconnect the sound board (interconnect power cable to the main PCB board and the flat-cable) to lower the required power. And yes it worked !!! The jittering had reduced to about 10% of that I had earlier ! I can also hear some jittery sound in the PSU exactly ad the moments that it jitters on the screen. So the switcher (sorry Robin) seems to have some bad caps or simply can't handle the power.

I reconnected the soundboard and sure enough it was back to 100%.

So I hope to put the monitor and PCB back in the cab tomorrow and we'll see what happens.

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #164 on: January 29, 2012, 12:47:07 AM »
One question guys, do any of you have a bad tube where there is still the plastic "end cap" on ?
I managed (despite being really careful) to break the one on mine (first time I removed the neck-board, Bart was witness) and it scared the shit out of me because I feared I had broken the glass, which didn't happen obviously....

Anyway, now weight of the neck board is fully hanging on the pins of the CRT and I really don't like that so if someone can get it off a "goner" CRT I would be grateful !

(here's a reference pic, I mean the green thing. Note that this is not the HD monitor !)



It needs to be a 10 pin one...