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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #105 on: January 14, 2012, 08:42:00 AM »
wonderful job you guys! very exciting to see these two games brought back to life slowly but surely ...
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #106 on: January 14, 2012, 10:59:35 AM »
Thanks Ull, yeah it's a long (but fun (when successful)) process and we are not even half-way. Once both board-sets are in and working according to the test-screens, we are facing the next (and maybe even bigger) challenge:
Getting all the controls to work properly. Already read about someone (in the US) having serious problems with the steering wheel A/D converters, and that's something the test-screens won't show (well it will show weird values, but you don't know it it's the pot or the converters).

Let's hope that our 2 PCB sets are both 100% now and "all" we have to do is fix the controls themselves. They may require new pots, new springs etc.

I really can't wait to play this beast a bit seriously for the first time. The one I played at Funspot had some control issues too so it didn't even provide the full experience and I still loved it.

By the way Polder, did you check the Amps this baby draws ? 645 Watts maximum !!!! Damn....that's three times that of my SW cockpit !!!

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« Reply #107 on: January 14, 2012, 11:50:01 AM »
Wohoooooo, great to see it is working. ;D
I never played this game and it looks like a great one. ;)

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #108 on: January 14, 2012, 12:49:10 PM »
Sorry not really good with watts amps and stuff
645 watts
Is round 3 amps I believe that’s not much ;)
Outrunners use max 6 amps
And I belief that afterburner the big one uses 8 amps max

Welkom to the world of the real games

Some time back I had a flashing light (stroboscopic lamp)
That uses 16 amps  :o max power so I’m used to big power consumption

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« Reply #109 on: January 14, 2012, 01:47:28 PM »
Wahahaha, yes for you it must be one of the more economic machines you have. For me it's definitely the most power hungry one.

Remember this is also a max. The must power consuming is the motor for the force feedback of course and only on max resistance it will reach 645 Watts.... :)

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #110 on: January 14, 2012, 03:09:01 PM »
YES YES YES !!!!FREAKING AWESOME !!!!
  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace: to Jope for selling these !!!!!!

Wonderful!

You're very welcome. :-)
Looking for boards: Pac-Mania, Rainbow Islands

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #111 on: January 14, 2012, 04:45:39 PM »
Man, sometimes I wonder how it is that we seem to keep finding the right parts at the right moment (for the right price too usually ;)). Karma ? Arcade-gods smiling at us ?

Short quick update:

We have 2 working monitor chassis !!! Yeah !
Bart, yours is producing the best picture so far, probably a fresh HV ;) (Not really, mine pushes out 25 kV just as happily.

I have seen that I did make one mistake now. I should have replaced ALL the pots. The color adjusting pots work but are wacky.
They really need replacing too.
Another thing is that I keep having some flickering in the screen on both chassis which I can't explain.

All in all I'm not too happy about how the tube looks. It seems to be pretty tired so I'm quickly (before it gets dark) going to hook it up to my rejuvenator to see how the guns are really....wow first real use :)

Glad that it's a nice and wind-still day ;)

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #112 on: January 14, 2012, 05:03:28 PM »
@ Etienne don’t know how much stickers you’re going to print I’m also interested in a few
Seeing that the center cone from the wheel is available somewhere, mine is missing now.

I am following this thread with great interest, so i figured by myself that you needed them also, so i did already think of you and planned to make some extra for yours  ;)

The pots are Made in Costa Rica.....man I see all kind of unexpected exotic places where electronics are manufactured since I started ordering from RS....

Intel also has a plant in Costa rica where they make processors, I saw it in reality, its close to my wife's parents house  ;D

Another thing is that I keep having some flickering in the screen on both chassis which I can't explain.

Grounding / shielding problem maybe ?

I remember the "FAN Isue" on the Zaccs..


Great that the progress is going in the good direction!
(i love it when a plan comes together..)


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #113 on: January 14, 2012, 08:07:39 PM »
Yeah as long as we keep making progress :)

Some pics from this afternoon. I'm telling you, a SW cockpit is a feather-weight compared to this:


First I had to install the game PCB set back and of course the first chassis. After power up there were no explosions are other scary things but I had a completely dark screen. Did have neck-glow though so I turned up the Screen pot and got a grayish screen that was completely out of sync. Turning the V-hold and H-hold pots gained a stable picture ! Nice new pots, silky smooth ;)  However the picture quality was still far from what it should be. Especially the colors are simply not as bright as should.
Tried fiddling with the Screen and black-level pots but definitely not satisfactory.
Even turning up the color guns didn't really help and pots showed poor contacts (sigh).
So...I suspected the tube to be in less than brilliant condition....

So the next step was hooking up the Müter rejuvenator for the very first time with a serious job.
Thanks to the table (which is searchable electronically, hurray !!) I quickly found I need adapter 808 for this tube and luckily I have it :)



I don't remember how to operate it completely anymore but I know how to let it test the guns...


And the results are pretty clear:


Only the red gun is still in the "Good" zone. the others are in the "grey" zone which is more or less what I was thinking, weak but not dead....

So....I wil have a go at rejuving it tomorrow. It started to be pretty cold and I wanted to get everything inside before it got damp.
Also....I need to read the manual again before I screw up a very rare med-res tube! And I want to take my time to do it and not rush things....way too precious.

Apart from that I will be ordering all the remaining pots from RS online....even though they measured pretty good, in reality they definitely have seen better days. I hope they have the correct values....

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #114 on: January 14, 2012, 08:12:36 PM »
Oh and I did of course try to play some games. The first thing that is totally obvious is that my steering wheel pot (or A/D converter, let's hope not !) are not working properly.
Also I can't get the shifter to work right because it wants it to be set in Reverse while doing calibration, but the reverse is mechanically blocked on mine (this is factory setting).
So, I can only select Automatic for now and I get nowhere because of the steering problem...

More tomorrow...


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #115 on: January 14, 2012, 08:23:47 PM »
Interesting to see the rejuvinator

I don't really understand it completely, but they did printed the correct word on the meter

It looks like this gun is in the "this gun is a bit f#cked up" zone  ;D


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #116 on: January 14, 2012, 09:06:19 PM »
Really interesting in following this André!! good job so fare :spaceace: :spaceace:


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #117 on: January 15, 2012, 01:54:27 PM »
Mmmm, been looking for some info on the steering pot and I stumbled on this:

http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=65895&highlight=drivin%27+pot

Post #6 may well solve my issue without having to buy a new one :)

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Now if your steering works but wont calibrate with a message saying value too great or something like that.. remove pot, turn steering full left. Turn pot full left. Turn pot back to right just untill it seats into steering shaftm that should take car eof that. Mine had a new pot wired properly but re-clocking the pot is what ended up fixing it.)

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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #118 on: January 16, 2012, 04:03:48 PM »
is this enough practice material for 2 cockpits ?  ;)


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Re: Drive talkin'....
« Reply #119 on: January 16, 2012, 04:32:22 PM »
Yeah....barely ;)