[Restoration] Frogger - why did the frog cross the road?

[Wil2000]

It's really looking better with white vynil than with that old-fashionned woodgrain, you did the right choice Ully 
By the way, next time that you have a bending problem with a vynil, think about using some drops of liquid soap in a bottle of water, spray it on the surface where you want to put your sticker, and use your squeegee to remove water and soap as long as you apply the sticker. The result will be totally perfect, I used to apply this method a lot of times before, and I never get any problem with it. 

[Superully]

By the way, next time that you have a bending problem with a vynil, think about using some drops of liquid soap in a bottle of water, spray it on the surface where you want to put your sticker, and use your squeegee to remove water and soap as long as you apply the sticker. The result will be totally perfect, I used to apply this method a lot of times before, and I never get any problem with it. 

thx, might try this the next time. i've been wondering though why soap should remove a bent in an overlay? isn't the soap just there to move the overlay around?

[level42]

Yup....and I've never used the "whet" method, granted I've never done large side-art. Come to think of it.....I've never done _any_ side-art ! 

[Etienne MacGyver]

The guys at my printer also reccomend the wet method:

https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2109.msg26597#msg26597

that is on plexi or glass, so it might as well work good on vinyl too i guess..  

[level42]

Dunno, on all the things I _have_ done like CPO's I used the dry method. The soapy method sounds messy to me. But I understand it will allow you to reposition. But that was never an issue with CPO's because I use the buttons to fix it temporarily, then apply one side, remove the buttons and then apply the other half...


Where do I get a squeegee (funny word) from 3M like that Ully ?

[Superully]

Dunno, on all the things I _have_ done like CPO's I used the dry method. The soapy method sounds messy to me. But I understand it will allow you to reposition. But that was never an issue with CPO's because I use the buttons to fix it temporarily, then apply one side, remove the buttons and then apply the other half...

i totally agree, although i have heard of a lot of people using the wet method. to me, water and adhesive just don't match, but who knows, i might try it some time, for now i'm happy with the dry method!

Where do I get a squeegee (funny word) from 3M like that Ully ?

i think i bought mine off ebay, but you have to make sure you get the golden model, because it is, although more expensive, the best model (well, it's golden after all, isn't it?). however, only use the squeegee when the artwork has a protective layer (because there might be some dust on the art and you will easily get a scratch on it), for art without that you have to use a roller like the one shown on my pictures. i got mine from a home depot in the wallpaper section!

[level42]

Mmmmm, yeah didn't think about that scratching. I got a really nice roller from an "artist" shop (rubber roller, bit smaller than yours) and now I think of it, it has a "squeegee" side too !

Will use that for now

Here's the roller I've got (and where I got it from:)
http://www.harolds.nl/p/grafisch/linosnede/aandrukrollers/pag/1/p/roller-r3/#roller-r3

[Etienne MacGyver]

linosnede

[Totally offtopic mode on]

That was one of my favorite workshops at elementary School 

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[Wil2000]

Slightly off topic, but if you want to avoid scratches due to an irregularity on your squeegee, simply put a piece of painter masking tape on it:


It will smooth your edge, and avoid some minor scratches, but NEVER use a squeegee who has a cut on its edge!
Finally, last tip, if you have some bubbles, it's not totally catastrophic, simply use a very small pin to make a nearly transparend hole on the bubble, press it with your thumb slightly, "et voilà" 

[Superully]

guys, i need some help with the monitor wiring: my cabinet had an electrohome go7cbo monitor installed, but the original frogger cabinet used different monitors. therefore, the monitor connector of the harness doesn't fit into the go7cbo connector on the chassis. normally not a problem, just switch the connector, but i don't know which wire is for ground, for vertical and for horizontal output.

here's a picture of the connector:



rgb is clear and i thought that black would be ground, but what about yellow and white? additionally, there are schematics which show black as not being ground (check out schematics 700-0068 vs 700-0069). here is a link to the frogger manual!

would be cool if you guys could help me out here ...

[Etienne MacGyver]

I see this :



White = V Sync
Black = Ground
Yellow = H Sync

To be sure, folow the black, white and yellow leads back to the edge connector and check what pin they are connected to.
compare that to the pinout of the board, and you know what is what  

[Superully]

right, but on the next page of the manual you see this



additionally, the order of the wires is mixed up ...

[2-mad]

The colors doesn't matter ! Follow them and just look where they are connected

[Superully]

The colors doesn't matter ! Follow them and just look where they are connected

well, they go to the pcb connector of course, which means checking the pinout of the connector should do the trick, right?

[Etienne MacGyver]

Thats what i said

To be sure, folow the black, white and yellow leads back to the edge connector and check what pin they are connected to.
compare that to the pinout of the board, and you know what is what