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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #15 on: March 20, 2010, 09:31:50 AM »
Incredible job Ully !!!  :o

Congrats.

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Galaga - PacMan - Donkey Kong Red Cab - Track & Field Upright - Tempest - Burgertime - Gyruss - Defender - Track & Field Cocktail - Robotron 2084

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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #16 on: March 20, 2010, 10:43:54 AM »
Great work.  :D
It would be nice to see all the cabinets that got the superully treatment lined up together. That must be one hell of a sight

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« Reply #17 on: March 27, 2010, 06:10:59 PM »

the restoration continues ...

the monitor area after some layers of fresh paint and a lot of kitchen towels



overall, the bezel itself is in good condition, just some minor flaking on the edges which won't be visible in the dark



gotta love :-* that artwork



the old dutch instruction card is being replaced by a NOS english one



and the entire setup on location



on to the coin door . although it looks ok at first glance, this is going to take a while. here's a BEFORE shot of it  :arrow:



like the cabinet itself, the coin door and the coin door frame have a striking structure as well. have a look ...



i've had a talk with "my powdercoater" - he is not able to reproduce that structure, that's why giving it a new coat of paint there is not an option



i love details like that



unfortunately, rust is everywhere



i'm using some steel wool first to remove the surface rust



and then i'm using an anti-rust primer which is supposed to work well with the rust still on the metal pieces



after applying some layers of black, here's how the coin door looks



in detail - notice that the structure is still there, but the rust and some scratches are gone



because of the rust i had to remove the old stern sticker from the center of the coin door. in order to get the replacement sticker on flat, the structure on the center plate has to go



here's the replacement sticker that andré found on an american pinball webshop



unfortunately, there's something wrong with the sticker itself, a production error. all the colors are transparent, even the red and the blue (which should not be the case) and because of that the writing in unreadable once the sticker has been applied. check it out for yourself!  :'(



there are two options regarding the sticker: andré has sent rich from thisoldgame.com a scan of the sticker to have it reproduced there OR there's another version of the stern coin door stickers available. i have to think about which route to take for a while ...

now on with the "interiors". here are the parts which could use some scrubbing



as always, some BEFORE and AFTER shots







the following piece has already been cleaned on the left side, the right side is still in its original state - what a difference  :o



i wasn't happy with those "2x5 franc 1 play" plastic inserts, because (a) i eventually want to run the game on tokens and (b) they were partially damaged so that the coin door lights shone through. by pure luck, i found some stern replacement plastic inserts on a german pinball webshop



after removing the old plastic inserts and installing the new ones, this is how the illuminated coin door looked - very disappointing  :(



when you have a look at the coin door from the back, it's easy to see why the stern plastic insert is illuminated just partially: the coin door lights are too far away



so let's bring out the saw and use some of my mac guyver skills



much better from the inside ...



... and fan-ta-bulous-stic from the outside! bringing the coin door lights closer to the plastic inserts (unwillingly) also "added" some ambient light to the plastic coin inserts. this looks gorgeous in the dark!  :)



because i love that game so much, i thought "i need to have something else as a keyring pendant than the normal plastic arcade flyer thingy". and believe it or not, three weeks ago a friend of mine was clearing out his cellar and came upon a very nice toy which he gave me as a present (because he knows i love stuff like that). at first i thought about putting it on top of the cabinet, but then my brain cells connected - my berzerk keyring pendant was born. i had to partially disassemble the toy in order to get that hook through the metal head cover, but it worked like a charm. enough written, here it is: mr roboto!



on location  8)



and the entire coin door (minus the coin door sticker): i'm thrilled!!!  :spaceace:



to be continued ...

all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2010, 08:35:01 PM »
excellent Ully !

I love the robot keyring !, very original !  :spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:

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« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2010, 09:08:19 PM »
Looks great Ully, I wish I could play on an original Berzerk once! :D

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« Reply #20 on: March 29, 2010, 05:00:49 PM »
great looking ully! - now set a high score on it!  :)

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« Reply #21 on: March 29, 2010, 06:22:31 PM »
great looking ully! - now set a high score on it!  :)

i would (try to), but after two days it has stopped working again. all i get is three beeps on power-up and a jumbled mess on the screen. i guess it's the flat cables again, because i already had to replace some to get it working, but i've run out of spare flat cables to give it a try! :'(
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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« Reply #22 on: March 29, 2010, 07:59:16 PM »


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That is a standard PC screw  ;D

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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #23 on: March 29, 2010, 08:20:23 PM »
Ully, this might be your solution:

http://www.wowway.com/%7Eookpik72/brl.html

Scroll down a bit to see the part about replacing the flat-cables. I've got a set of those right here, I bought the cable and cut it but never used it. However this is not for ALL the flatcables in the game so you might need a second one, but at least it gives you 4 new connections

Let me know if you want my set. The cost was 9 euro. (http://www.alternate.nl/html/product/Kabels_U-SCSI/Advance_Peripherals/SCSI-tower-kabel/-1002674/?tn=HARDWARE&l1=Kabels&l2=U-SCSI)

The only "bad" thing about this is that you have some extra pins that won't be used so you have to be VERY careful to hook it up correctly.

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« Reply #24 on: March 29, 2010, 08:47:56 PM »
I've got a set of those right here, I bought the cable and cut it but never used it. However this is not for ALL the flatcables in the game so you might need a second one, but at least it gives you 4 new connections

so you've already cut up the cable and installed the connectors? 4 of them? those are for the wider flatcables, what about the smaller ones? can i find replacements for those as well?

The only "bad" thing about this is that you have some extra pins that won't be used so you have to be VERY careful to hook it up correctly.

extra pins where? aren't the connectors the same ones used on the original cables?

three beeps means that the zpu is working, right? would it make sense to replace some of the other boards first or are damaged flatcables the main reason for failure?
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #25 on: March 29, 2010, 10:24:30 PM »
At 3 beeps, and if the flat-cables are OK, the first thing to replace is the BSC. You "follow the chain" downwards...

Yes I already cut up the cable and sanded off the side a bit (else they don't fit). But I didn't use them in the end because my original flat-cables are OK.

Remind me, how many pins are the smaller ones ? (Berzerk is in storage).

The connectors are not the same. They are SCSI cables. They have 50 pins, 25 on top, 25 on bottom of the connector. You use only the top row (or the bottom, whichever you choose) on both PCB's. And you only use 23 pins of course, so two are "left over" on one side of the connector.

It works great, I tested it, even with the longer cable.
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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #26 on: March 29, 2010, 11:10:25 PM »
thx for the enlightenment :-*

i'll have to do some more testing on wednesday, but i might take you up on your "cable offer"!
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2010, 06:08:32 PM »
At 3 beeps, and if the flat-cables are OK, the first thing to replace is the BSC. You "follow the chain" downwards...

ok, had the time to do some testing today. i swapped around the flat cables and exchanged the boards. can't replace the BSC board anymore though, because the original one on my machine was dead and has already been replaced, so i don't have a spare BSC anymore.

all i'm still getting is three beeps, sometimes a jumbled up "moving" picture, sometimes a jumbled up still image and sometimes no picture at all - just the three beeps. it all depends on the swapped boards AND the used flat cables.

Remind me, how many pins are the smaller ones ? (Berzerk is in storage).

the smaller ones (are supposed to) have 18 pins, but some of the pins have been removed.

It works great, I tested it, even with the longer cable.

i guess it's time to give this a try, because i can't seem to get it up and running again :'(. just to make sure: those four cables you have prepared already have the four connectors on each side installed? so it would be a plug in and test (hopefully play) thingy?
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!

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Re: [Restoration] Human - Restore Like a Robot
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2010, 08:15:43 PM »
Yeah, plug and hopefully play....

Are you 100% sure your original BSC board is dead (it could be the three beeps were caused by the bad flatcables) I mean,did you test the board with the GOOD flatcables ?

18 pins sucks...floppy cables are 17 (x2) pins, I was thinking of using those for the smaller connections....however these are not important for the connection between ZPU and BSC.

Did you measure the flatcables ? Measure them in Ohms (not diode-test "beep" setting !) pin by pin to see if any contact problems actually exist. This will rule out bad from good flatcables. You can measure on top of the connector (there the metal pins are blank).

Ully I believe I have your data on your original boards. If I'm right your original BSC has no ser.nr. sticker but it's mfr. date is dec.12 1980

Also if all is well I shipped you BSC ser.nr. 14989 right ? (Just to keep track).

The problem is that I don't have a working BSC here anymore. Michael now has a working spare one because his original is running IIRC. Maybe Michael can ship it ?

On the BSC, it is often the RAM chips failing, so it could be a pretty easy fix. I haven't had the time to work on the other Berzerk boards yet.....

Don't give up, welcome to the wonderful world of keeping 30 year old games alive ;)



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« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2010, 10:16:43 PM »
Are you 100% sure your original BSC board is dead (it could be the three beeps were caused by the bad flatcables) I mean,did you test the board with the GOOD flatcables ?

yes, i'm sure. when i powered the machine up for the first time last week, i got no picture and no beeps. i tried swapping the boards - nothing. then you told me about the flat cables. i changed two of them which looked damaged (the ones going to the bsc board and when i turned the game on, i got three beeps and a jumbled up picture. i changed the the original bsc board with the spare one i had and the game was working. just to make sure, i changed the board back and it wasn't working anymore. PLUS my original board seems to have some kind of acid damage, so i think from what i've done we can assume it's not working.

Did you measure the flatcables ? Measure them in Ohms (not diode-test "beep" setting !) pin by pin to see if any contact problems actually exist. This will rule out bad from good flatcables. You can measure on top of the connector (there the metal pins are blank).

no, haven't done that yet, but will do so tomorrow. all i have to do is set the multimeter to ohm and see if there is any resistance, right? it should show 0.0, right? if a cabl passes that test, is it working or do i have to run a continuity test as well?

Ully I believe I have your data on your original boards. If I'm right your original BSC has no ser.nr. sticker but it's mfr. date is dec.12 1980
Also if all is well I shipped you BSC ser.nr. 14989 right ? (Just to keep track).

i can confirm that the one you shipped to me has the serial number 14989, my original (not working) bsc however does have a serial sticker, the number is 01525. and - as i've already said - it looks like it has some kind of acid damage, will try to get a pic of it tomorrow!

The problem is that I don't have a working BSC here anymore. Michael now has a working spare one because his original is running IIRC. Maybe Michael can ship it ?
On the BSC, it is often the RAM chips failing, so it could be a pretty easy fix. I haven't had the time to work on the other Berzerk boards yet.....

let's see which results my flat cable check produces tomorrow and then we can take it from there ...

18 pins sucks...floppy cables are 17 (x2) pins, I was thinking of using those for the smaller connections....however these are not important for the connection between ZPU and BSC.

so no replacements for those? perhaps i don't need them if the ohm tests are ok.

Don't give up, welcome to the wonderful world of keeping 30 year old games alive ;)

thx, i have arrived  ;) i'm not giving up on this of course, the game is simply too good and the repro control panels are getting closer to being finished every do!
all i need is ... PONG - and a select few others: TOUCH ME, DRAGON'S LAIR, JOUST, ROBOTRON, MR DO, SAN FRANCISCO RUSH THE ROCK!!!