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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #15 on: May 04, 2012, 08:59:07 PM »
No they don't melt together, its to conduct the heat better to the heatsink, it "fills" the imperfections between the chip and the heatsink

So its to improve the cooling

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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #16 on: May 04, 2012, 09:04:41 PM »
Yep. Use the cheap regular type thermal grease. DO NOT EVER EVER use Arctic Silver or similar stuff on transistors on old "arcade" hardware because that is not only thermally conductive but also electrically and usually you do NOT want that....

Besides, it is WAY overpriced because of the "coolness" factor it has in the PC modders scene.... it only has slightly better performance than the "old fashioned" grease but costs insanely more.

I can't find a drawing that explained how thermal grease works that I learned while at electronics school anywhere on the internet....it's so simple but totally explains why it is needed.....if I have some extra time I'll make and post it.

Don't smear the stuff with your bare hands. I seem to remember BITD they said it was toxic, but I doubt it if it (still) is...there are no warnings or whatever on the packaging....but the reason not to smear it with your hands is because you will introduce dirt/grease/acid particles into it which will not help in the thermal conduction.
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« Reply #17 on: May 04, 2012, 09:20:04 PM »
and dont forget that its a real PITA to wash it off your hands / fingers  ;D

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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #18 on: May 04, 2012, 09:31:39 PM »
and dont forget that its a real PITA to wash it off your hands / fingers  ;D
Nope, use PURE alcohol (get it from the "drugstore" or drogist as we call it....) and a paper towel. I use that to remove excess grease on the heatsink too...

Judging from last Eurocade some Hungarian liquors may work well too......... ;D ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #19 on: May 04, 2012, 10:21:47 PM »


Judging from last Eurocade some Hungarian liquors may work well too......... ;D ;D ;D ;D
I don't know, ask Robin. ;D ;D ;D

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« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2012, 09:07:16 AM »
Hahaha, that was a funny read! - glad you got it working! - you´re improvement i rising, fixing these things! Are you on level 8 now? ;D Dre must be on level 42 or something ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2012, 09:24:20 AM »
Nahhh....Speleo and RobinHolland are much better than I am. Fixing vector monitors is easy. They are really pretty simple devices. Much simpler than raster monitors or game PCBs...


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« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2012, 10:03:42 AM »
Nahhh....Speleo and RobinHolland are much better than I am. Fixing vector monitors is easy. They are really pretty simple devices. Much simpler than raster monitors or game PCBs...

Perhaps they are Level 60+ then??  ;) ;D ;D
Everything is easy when you know how to do it....

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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #23 on: May 06, 2012, 12:01:52 PM »
Here one of my famous drawings:



Imagine this is a microscopic picture of the surface of the transistor (upside) and heatsink (down). The surfaces are NOT flat on a microscopic level but actually very rough. And THAT is the main role of the grease. If you don't use the grease, the contact between transistor and heatsink will be very minimal. THUS you have a terrible conduction of the heat from the transistor into the heatsink. The grease fills up the gaps and is of a material that conducts the heat easily into the heatsink.

If you have a mica plate between the transistor and heatsink, it just adds a layer in between, so grease must be applied on both sides. Mica is a kind of STONE (!) even though it's transparent. It will break like a stone if you bend it too far. So, you can imagine it will have a rough surface too.

Now, if you have air bubbles or dirt elements in the grease you can also imagine it will hinder the transfer of heat into the heatsink.

Anyway, I hope this awful picture makes it clear :)

After 30 years it is a good idea the replace the mica and thermal grease on critical transistors like deflection transistors on vector monitors. The mica and grease dry out over time and loose their heat conduction.

I have experimented with it on my Amplifone board. The transistors felt a LOT cooler after I had redone the mica's and grease. If you can feel a temp difference with your fingers, it's a pretty big difference because they are not THAT sensitive that you can feel a difference of a couple of degrees.

I would love to have a heat-camera or even temperature probe to do a one-on-one compare "before" and "after".
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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #24 on: May 06, 2012, 01:12:22 PM »
Here one of my famous drawings:



Anyway, I hope this awful picture makes it clear :)

I love the pic  ;D  its very clear and the dirty piece really looks dirty  ;) :D

maybe you would like to have my Wacom ?
I hardly use it, and i got 2 of them..




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« Reply #25 on: May 06, 2012, 06:13:50 PM »
Nice pic & explanation, I love to learn and understand things like this. ;)

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Re: Sound amp testing question
« Reply #26 on: May 06, 2012, 11:51:51 PM »
Hey it was an iPad drawing done in 10 seconds :)

But If you have one Wacom extra.....that would be very cool :) I know they work on Macs too :):)

You're welcom Béla...surpringly I didn't find a similar drawing like this anywhere but thus is how it works. Maube the transistor and heatsink are a bit closer together but you get the idea, the greas "fils the gaps" where else air woulda be. That it can be destructive is proven by Franck's WG6100, I'm quite sure the transistor blew because of the lack of thermal grease...