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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2009, 08:26:16 PM »
some time ago there was a threat about soldering and desoldering here
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=922.0  maybe this helps you

the metal plate is indeed for cooling purposes , sometimes there is white paste between them, thats thermal grease
it helps to conduct the heat to the heatsink (metal plate)

its the same as the paste between the processor and the heatsink in your pc, so very good available at any pc store if you need it

through the years the paste will be dried out is my experience, and for the cost of new its recomendable to add this paste


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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #16 on: December 15, 2009, 08:32:39 PM »
I did have another look at the location of the faulty transistor(s), and there is no way that I will go and try to exchange them. Too much stuff has to be removed in order to be able to replace TR402. Besides, I checked a few other transistors and got a few strange readings at them also. Could also be faulty transistors.

Decision (also based on my past experience with soldering and repair attempts): I will have this one repaired by someone else or get a replacement chassis.

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #17 on: December 15, 2009, 11:56:38 PM »
some time ago there was a threat about soldering and desoldering here
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=922.0 
its the same as the paste between the processor and the heatsink in your pc, so very good available at any pc store if you need it
through the years the paste will be dried out is my experience, and for the cost of new its recomendable to add this paste
Actually, it's much better to get this paste at the electronics store, or even better yet, from dealextreme.com
The "regular" thermal conduct paste is fine for transistors and processors. All those kind of "arctic" paste and stuff are simply hyped up stuff because of the PC overclocking and case-modding scene. The difference in practice often is only a couple of degrees celsius between a 13 Euro paste and a 2 euro paste. Esp. for our goal, this is nuts.

Even worse: some of those Arctic pastes contain metal parts and you don't want to have electrical conductive paste in most cases !

But you are right Etienne, after 25-30 years the stuff will have dried out completely. Replacing it is very advisable. I've done it f.i. on my Amplifone deflection board, and I could FEEL the difference in heat staying at the heat-sink.

Clay Cowgill (from the multi-kits) has recently done some more scientific testing with heat measurement devices, and the results were spectacular to say the least. The (old) transistors will be working much happier after a new layer of paste.

B.t.w. Ckong, wise decision. Are you sure it's not simply a connector problem on the monitor chassis, or a bad soldering ?
My experience in electronics is that the vast majority of problems are simply contact problems.

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #18 on: December 16, 2009, 12:09:02 AM »
B.t.w. Ckong, wise decision. Are you sure it's not simply a connector problem on the monitor chassis, or a bad soldering ?
My experience in electronics is that the vast majority of problems are simply contact problems.

I am certain that at least one transistor is faulty. I also checked the soldering, but didn't see bad soldering. I already got one offer for another chassis and a tip to contact Graig von giz10p, which I did. Perhaps I will get another chassis ánd repair the one I have. A spare one is always usefull.

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #19 on: December 16, 2009, 06:08:36 AM »
Actually, it's much better to get this paste at the electronics store, or even better yet, from dealextreme.com
The "regular" thermal conduct paste is fine for transistors and processors. All those kind of "arctic" paste and stuff are simply hyped up stuff because of the PC overclocking and case-modding scene. The difference in practice often is only a couple of degrees celsius between a 13 Euro paste and a 2 euro paste. Esp. for our goal, this is nuts.

thats true, did not think of that in the first place, it was the first thing that popped up in my head as a "easy supplier"

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Even worse: some of those Arctic pastes contain metal parts and you don't want to have electrical conductive paste in most cases !

I knew i forget to write it  ;) , many time there is a insulator plate between the heatsink and the transistor, and like andre say's that part is not there for nothing  ;D  especially when there are more transistors mounted on the same heatsink

heatsink


Insulator plate


Thermal grease

The site i ripped the pics contains some info about the heatsinks if your interested
« Last Edit: December 16, 2009, 08:05:17 AM by Etienne [NL] »

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #20 on: December 31, 2009, 05:44:34 PM »
I got my replacement chassis yesterday from the US. Mounted it today, and whoopiedoo, it's working 100%.  ;D ;D

Finally I can play my DK game again, just before the new year.

I will send the faulty chassis to Graig from Giz10p in a few weeks. He is very good with monitor chassis and I am sure that he can repair mine so that I will have a spare one. In fact, at the moment he is repairing an exact same chassis with the exact same problem for someone else. I will wait and see how that turns out before I will send mine.

Happy New Year

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #21 on: December 31, 2009, 06:24:10 PM »
Nice to hear that the best game in "arcadeland" is working again  :D

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #22 on: January 02, 2010, 12:23:37 AM »
Nice, the year started well for you ....

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Re: Sudden Sanyo EZ 20 monitor issue in my DK cab
« Reply #23 on: January 05, 2010, 07:46:08 PM »
.................whoopiedoo, it's working 100%.........................  ;D ;D

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