Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: Etienne MacGyver on May 19, 2012, 01:30:05 PM
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Inspired by this post;
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3604.msg50482#msg50482 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3604.msg50482#msg50482)
and that post:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2144.msg50023#msg50023 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2144.msg50023#msg50023)
I looked around on marktplaats and found me a untested unit not too far away from my place:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/1.jpg)
Because the battery cover and adapter was missing, i managed to get the unit almost for free.
Picked it up yesterday..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/route.jpg)
It sure needs some cleaning :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/2.jpg)
After cleaning it a bit, i hooked up an adapter and turned the unit on..
bleep bleep, bup, bup, bleep bleep.. :D That sounds good!
Hooked it up to the tv set and let the tv scan the complete range to find the unit.
hmm damn bad image...
Lets take a look at the RF plug..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/3.jpg)
Yes, the solid core wire was broken, and the contacts of the plug are heavily coroded..
Installed a new plug, and .......
(http://i2.ytimg.com/vi/U8-GhFpVnOI/mqdefault.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U8-GhFpVnOI&list=UUvfzloUq7GQsUEnzXYngOgw&index=1&feature=plcp)clickpic
It works perfectly !
My little helper likes it too !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/4.jpg)
Oh boy, this brings back some memories ! :spaceace:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/5.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/6.jpg)
As you might have noticed, that is a very small tv......
I wonder if you can guess what the next logical step will be..
if you folowed this (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2823.0) topic last year, you know whats going to happen next ;)
Found some plans on the internet..
Lets see if i can translate that into metric and scale them down based upon the 7" monitor... ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/7.jpg)
to be continued.....
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Cool!
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After some serious calculations (from inches to metric) i have the plans almost in Illustrator
i miss a few measurements, and i would like to know the values instead of guessing ;)
Bruno, can you measure the folowing values for me ?
Thanks !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/measure1.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/measure2.jpg)
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Are you going to use a coin door?
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I am planning a coinslot which will pass a coinswitch hooked up to the startswitch of the game, like the original.
Not a door, that would not fit as it will be a 1:2 scale model.
I am also planning a extra slot for bills, so it might be used as a piggybank / donation device for some event ;)
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another great etienne project - i really love your spirit!!!
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Lol, I just wanted to ask, if it will be used by a piggybank at Eurocade. ;D
Great project, I'm really curious how will you display the screen in this "mini" mode. :D
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Cool ... I did a similar project last year. I had an original Paddle Ball (which is the Willams Pong Clone) Panel and coin door. The rest was a scratch build also. I used the AY-3-8500, a single chip pong implementation from 1976. I got some of these nos for 6,50 a piece!! I made a small vid of the machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98-zulUHRQ
If you have any questions maybe I can help. The measurements you need might not be the same on the Paddle Ball which has a slightly different shape though...
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Bruno, can you measure the folowing values for me ?
Thanks !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/measure1.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/measure2.jpg)
Here we go :
A -> 88mm
B -> 20mm
C -> 20mm
D-> Not sure to understand what value you need. In addition, that pong picture doesn't seems to have the same base? Or it's maybe an illusion due to the picture angle? Anyway, here's the shape of my pong (it was one of the pre-sale picture provided by the seller by the way) :arrow:
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Cool ... I did a similar project last year. I had an original Paddle Ball (which is the Willams Pong Clone) Panel and coin door. The rest was a scratch build also. I used the AY-3-8500, a single chip pong implementation from 1976. I got some of these nos for 6,50 a piece!! I made a small vid of the machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98-zulUHRQ
Looks really nice! :spaceace: :spaceace:
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That is indeed strange, and it looks like there are two versions..
If you look at the two pictures in the first post, it looks also that the bottom is different in both drawings..
hmm interesting..
Could it be that there are US and Irish builds of pong ? and that thats why they are different ??
Anyway big thanks for your measurements Bruno, and ill investigate some more on which i want to use..
It looks like one uses a 45 degree angle in the bottom and the other not.
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Hah, no Atari was barely starting at the time of Pong so there was no Irish Atari factory at that moment.
Cool project by the way ;D
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Cool ... I did a similar project last year. I had an original Paddle Ball (which is the Willams Pong Clone) Panel and coin door. The rest was a scratch build also. I used the AY-3-8500, a single chip pong implementation from 1976. I got some of these nos for 6,50 a piece!! I made a small vid of the machine:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H98-zulUHRQ
If you have any questions maybe I can help. The measurements you need might not be the same on the Paddle Ball which has a slightly different shape though...
I have seen that vid before, only untill now i realise the name of the poster ;D
Nice paddle ball you got there Punky !
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Lol, I just wanted to ask, if it will be used by a piggybank at Eurocade. ;D
Great project, I'm really curious how will you display the screen in this "mini" mode. :D
Thanks ;D
I think i just put the tv on a plank, it looks like they did that also in the original.
Or was that not the meaning of your question ?
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Thanks for the warm words ;) If you want to go small and the 'big' console you got there is to large for your setup then here is a tip: if you open that case you might find that infamous AY-3-8500 I mentioned before. A large amount of pong consoles are based on that genius chip. Usually it comes on a big PCB ... Much bigger than it has to be for the reference implementation of that AY.
Funny thing is: in the 70s when the AY came out, most of the tvs had no cvbs plug (that's the yellow cinch that I mean, hope I got the name right). So they had to go with the rf. For that there had to be some extra circuit to modulate the cvbs like signal that comes out of the AY to the rf. If you don't need that you can shrink the whole circuitry to a minimum that fits on a little circuit board, smaller than a playing card. If you want to go that way, drop me a line, I can post the circuit plans here and have an AY in spare for your project ;)
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The tv i have here only has the RF input, so the modulator needs to stay :-\
I would preffer composite video, but the tv unfortunately does not have that input.
changing the tv for a tft panel is not an option as you might expect, we need CRT in this ! ;D
I did already opened the unit to hardwire the adapter to it, and it has indeed more air than cirquitry in there :D
I was already planning to take it out of the case, so i guess it will be fine, but thanks anyway ;)
the scale will be 1:2 , so i think there is plenty of room for the board.
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No SCART input on it either ?
If we can find the schematics it should be possible to hack in a composite input !
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Nope, its a real "portable" old black and white tv.
It has a battery compartment under it (which i am porbably going to abuse and bolt that to the plank)
For the rest it has a cigaret lighter plug and thats about it ;D
I need to see the model, the label is a Lenco.
on the other hand, the real pong also uses a standard tv, so i bet they used RF also for the signal.
how more authentic can we wish for :D
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Cool project, Etienne. I will be following this.
I had forgotten how fun a party game Pong really is until me and a couple of friends spent hours on it recently. Good stuff!
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No, Pong did not have an RF output, they hacked a Video (it's not composite because it's B/W) input in the TVs they used. Really, the picture would be unacceptable for commercial use doing the unneccesary video to RF and RF back to video conversions.
Lenco.....that will be a tough cookie to find schematics but if there is a IC used in it we might figure out what the Video input is by that IC number....
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Never knew that, but it sounds indeed logical.
I dont know if i want to go through all that "trouble" while i got a working setup now..
After all, its not a commercial product ;)
I'll try to see what the model is when i am home later..
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Its a Lenco T-9033
I looked again and there is a 3,5 mm Jack thats says "a/v" so it could be that that is the audio video input..
Only think i dont know is if it is a 3 or 4 pin jackplug that i need to plug in there..
oh well, its working now, so if i dont find it, nothing is lost :D
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YEAAAAAHHHHH, you really should try it, it will give SO much better picture :)
Did you already fill this in to ask for the SERVICE manual ? : http://www.lenco.eu/index.php?option=com_chronocontact&chronoformname=2&lang=nl
Sigh, Lenco used to be a pretty good brand of record players.....now it's another Grundig or Akai, Chinese products with a "familiar" name slapped on it....so sad.
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Was thinking it will probably be 3 pin. One for GND, one for video, one for audio. You can simply try there's little chance of blowing something up :)
Hey, you have some of those hand-held TV games, these put out composite video. If you have one of those cables from RCA to 3.5 mm you can have a look if you get anything. I assume the beeps come from the game itself so you only need the video right ?
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Yes, i only need video
I guess you are right, i can try it with a cable like you say.
I think it will not harm indeed
Next task will be to "find" the video output before the modulator of that pong console..
Going to try "spongebob" now on the TV ;D
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Spongebob in B/W :P
I think it's pretty easy to find where the video signal is, it will be going into the modulator. Some pics of the bare PCB may help. Else PRC may be able to give tips about that ?
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Spongebob was without batteries :'( so the Namco 5 in 1 was my image and sound generator for this test ;D
Part one, trying to see if the "fingertest" (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3576.msg49889#msg49889) can determine whichone is the audio and whichone is the video input..
http://youtu.be/8qa-PevNEzQ (http://youtu.be/8qa-PevNEzQ)
And a final test after hooking up the game and start it up.
http://youtu.be/UcGlmCq3Zto (http://youtu.be/UcGlmCq3Zto)
Time to take the pong unit apart... :D
Also i have searched for pics of pong cabinets, and there are indeed 2 models..
I think i will use the "darthnuno-model" as that is easier to create.. ;D
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The AY-3-8500 uses seperate pins for each part of the playfield and the sync. there are four playfield/ball/score display pins and one sync that you can combine via diodes. here is the pinout of the chip:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/AY-3-8500_pinout.png)
I'm pretty sure they did exactly that in your console. Just follow the pins and you will find the combined signal before it goes into the rf-modulator ;)
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Yeah-yeah-yeah ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Lets see, i think i got the tools to dismantle this thing ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/8.jpg)
But something is missing in that pic.... yes ofcouse, the pong console!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/9.jpg)
The bottom..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/10.jpg)
first glance of the guts after opening..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/11.jpg)
Nice !, a socketed AY-3-5800 (aka "pong in a chip") :spaceace:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/12.jpg)
The manufacuter thought "hey i need to connect that coax cable together", why not use the middle pin of the powerswitch for that :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/13.jpg)
The mainboard, solderside (yes i know bad pic....)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/14.jpg)
Switches for the settings still in place, will remove those later and hardwire them to the settings i want to use..
I maybe create a jumper section instead of those bulky switches..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/15.jpg)
The inside of the controllers also carry alot of electronics.... NOT ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/16.jpg)
I am a bit in doubt to use this board and hack it, i might as well take the chip out of its socket and use a schematic like this :
(http://www.electronixandmore.com/projects/pongman/pongman.gif)
Is that basicly what you used Jorg ?
on the other hand, a nice hacked up original old cirquit board also has its charm...
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Ahhhhh, look at that nice Hong Kong craftsmanship. Look at the wires being soldered to one side of the resistors.....then again, Wells-Garnder did the same stuff....
I would go lazy on it this time....just find the spot where the diodes hook up together and you've got your video (ignore that NTSC label, it can't be NTSC (or PAL) there yet, it is still unmodulated there !).
You can even pick-up the audio and lead it to the TV input. Depends which one has the better speaker ;) ;) ;)
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The guy that i took the schematics of, states that the AY-3-5800 is pal and the AY-3-5800 1 is the NTSC variant of the chip..
Note that the AY-3-8500 is the European version that outputs PAL, the AY-3-8500-1 is the U.S. version that outputs NTSC.
http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/pongman/index.html (http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/pongman/index.html)
I dont know it, but however it may be, i got the european version of the chip and a pal TV so it must work together 8)
Good point about the speaker, i am curious how the original cabinet has it, did they also wire it to the tv speaker, or if not , where is the speaker located in the cabinet ?
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Mmmm, I stand corrected. Normally NTSC/PAL is used for the "transmitted" HF signal. I bet both would work on a modern TV, but whatever...
My guess-in-the-dark would be that they used the TV for sound because it has an amp and a speaker inside already and cost was everything ;)
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I would go for the quick win here, too. These consoles and also the chip isn't very scare. So go ahead, find the composite-spot and solder a cable onto that. Ah ... yes, that is the implementation I did ;)
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Question then is, what resistor i need to add to the audio signal, since its directly hooked up to the speaker, or do you think i can straight feed it into the audio in at the AV port ?
I dont want to "overmodulate" it since i guess its already a bit amplified.
@jorg;
Thanks, i think i will try that then..
but not today, its now time for me to go to the couch and put the feet up :D
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The AY-3-8500 uses seperate pins for each part of the playfield and the sync. there are four playfield/ball/score display pins and one sync that you can combine via diodes. here is the pinout of the chip:
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/5/56/AY-3-8500_pinout.png)
I'm pretty sure they did exactly that in your console. Just follow the pins and you will find the combined signal before it goes into the rf-modulator ;)
Just took a look at the wires that come from the option switches and "hardwired" the ones that needed connection.
Looking at the pins after folowing the traces, it is exactly what it says (ofcourse)..
I hardwired 8 (auto serve), 5 (ball angle)
7 (ball speed) and 13 (paddle size) where "switch in open position" ;D so did not need anything connected to them.
later i will remove the game selector switch and hardwire 20 (tennis)
what i dont get is that the manufacturer bridged pin 3 and 27 together ???
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/3-27.png)
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Back on this,
I removed all switches and hardwired the necessary connections so the PCB only plays pong with dedicated settings for balspeed, angle, batsize and automatic serving mode.
Then i folowed the advice to folow the traces for IC pins 6, 9, 10 & 24 and find the point where they come together after the diodes in this schematic:
(http://www.electronixandmore.com/project/pongman/pongman.gif)
Hmm, no diodes in my search.... they end up in another IC.. a CD4072BE ???
okay.. hmm and now ??
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(http://www.screenhog.com/sketch/LightbulbIdea.jpg)
Ofcourse !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/20.jpg)
The outputs from the pong chip go to these inputs of the CD4072BE:
6 --> 9
9 --> 10
10 --> 11
11 --> 12
I found the datasheet of the CD4072BE and that looks like this:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/18.jpg)
Now, i dont have any knowledge of these chips, but i see that pins 9, 10, 11 & 12 go in, and at the end of that thing i only see 1 pin come out..
Could it be that this chip is just 2 sets of diodes in a IC housing ?
I have no idea, but as the great C64 Game, i have only one rule... ;D
(http://cdn3.spong.com/title-screen/w/h/whodareswi4333/_-Who-Dares-Wins-C64-_.gif)(http://cdn2.spong.com/screen-shot/w/h/whodareswi6087/_-Who-Dares-Wins-C64-_.gif)
So i hooked up the wire that goes to the AV in on the TV at pin 13 from the CD4072BE..
Are we ready for a testrun ?? :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/17.jpg)
Hmm, i have some image, but it looks like i have a major sync problem.... :?
So i followed the trace comming from pin 13 of the CD4072BE and it goes into a "big blue blob thing"
I think its a ceramic capacitor or something simular ?
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/19.jpg)
Anyway, i moved the wire from pin 13 to the other side of the "Blob" and tried again...
See for yourself where i stand now..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/21.jpg) (http://youtu.be/VOEvNnVfmRE) Click pic..
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Hahahah, yessssss !!!
Can't tell by the video if it looks (much) better than through RF though, but it has to be :)
That chip is a dual OR gate.
The function is very simple: There or two OR gates that have 4 inputs and one output.
The top OR gate has pins 2,3,4 and 5 as inputs and 1 as output. The second...well you can understand.
If ANY of the inputs so pin 2 OR 3 OR 4 OR 5 is high, the output will be high too.
ONLY if ALL inputs are low, then the output will be low too.
So, in this application, it's simply "adding" the signals from the AY-3-8500-1 chip together, much like the diode solution does. I think the chip is a more decent design, the diodes is a "rough" solution that does the same thing...
It's that simple. Don't touch that chip with your bare hands, it's a CMOS version which gets much easier damaged by static than TTL.
It can also handle a broader range of voltages, which is probably why they chose it...
Isn't it simply brilliant that by plugging in that 3,5mm jack it automatically switches to AV input, perfect for your application ! :)
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Yes, and even better, i hooked up the sound also to that same A/V connector.
But i think i need a little pre amp for it, the sounds are almost not hearable and the volume is at its maximum as you could see in the vid.
And indeed, the picture is much higher quality than the RF.
Also its very dificult to do the finetuning with that tv..
Anyway , Mission acomplished !!! :spaceace:
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Glad you put in the little bit of extra effort, and I'm sure you are too now :)
Did the game play the audio through the TV when you hooked it up through RF and was the volume OK then ?
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Wait a minute, did you pick up the audio directly from the AY chip ? I bet there's a simple amp on the board somewhere. On your pics I can't see under the controls section though...can you make one that reveals the entire board ?
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I used the wire that was on the speaker, which is after a bunch of resistors and transistors
So yes, there is a little preamp there, that must be.
Let me see if i can take a macro pic of the board..
BRB.
And yes, i am happy i did put in the extra effort, not so much for the quality of the image (well, that too ofcourse), but more to see if i could pull it off :wink:
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Mmmm strange, you would assume that the output to the speaker would be _more_ than enough as an audio level input for that jack input because it can drive an entire speaker.
Check if one of the speaker wires is connected directly to ground (the ground you use for the video). If that is so, than it should sound fine.
If it's not, then I can understand it because it will get only a minimal level. I don't think it's a good idea to hook up one of the speaker wires together with the (video) ground though, you might blow up something....
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By the way, great weather to work in the garden/yard right ? ;)
I'm trying to get my "set-up" pool up....Of course, as every year, there are leaks in the inflatable ring...lot's of fun for dad this pool !
Replaced all the old patches (3 already) and just found a new hole. Fixed it but every time have to wait at least 30 minutes to let the patch dry before inflating again and then wait to see if it stays ok....
The next month it is maintenance, scooping up all the leafs and stuff, vacuuming the floor, keeping the chloride up to level, check the water quality, covering it every night, check the filter in the pump.....yep, gotta love it :)
(OK it IS nice to jump in to cool off a bit after a really hot day :) ) And the kids love it :)
The good thing: I don't put it up every year. I don't know why, but sometimes I really don't feel like doing it, and then every year when I do NOT put it up, the weather sucks during the summer....last year I didn't put it up and the summer sucked....just like all the other times.
So...this means we're getting a great summer this year ;)
OK back on topic :D
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Cool! , i did the same thing yesterday, only is a little less profi pool that i have ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/pool.jpg)
The speaker ground is hooked up to the same ground as the ground for the video signal.
Here some close ups of the board:
I tried to read the text on the transistors, i dont know if i got it exactly right, it is really small text, and i did not have my magnifier glass at hand..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/22.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/23.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/24.jpg)
The RF output was connected here, and that ground was indeed not the main ground.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/25.jpg)
Anyway, ill try to hook up the old speaker again and see if i get the old level back, or discover that i have indeed a problem..
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did also some searches for the CP.
It looks like that its not only the cabinet which comes in 2 versions, i also found 2 versions of the CP..
Notice the difference in lettertype of the "player" and the "syzygy" ...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/26.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/27.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/29.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/30.jpg)
hmmm its getting more confusing :? :? :?
Whichone to take ??? also the knobs are different..
Anybody ??
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The knobs on the second one look somehow strange. Might not be original?? Nice progress on your project!! Keep it up, it will be all good!
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I think i will use the 3e panel, i like the same lettertype for the players as for the rest
I found a pong Bezel vectorfile and resized it roughly by half (+-scale 1:2 as planned since the original tv was 15" and my TV is 7")
Cutted a piece of cardboard also on scale and layed the print of the scaled down bezel on top of it (to get a general idea what the size will be)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/31.jpg)
Then i placed the paper template on top of the tv
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/32.jpg)
Looks promissing if you ask me, compared to the original..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/33.jpg)
What you guys think ?
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Bruno, I know you are very busy, but could you check the folowing measurements for me when you got time please ?
I am in doubt about the measurements that i have found on the net, something does not look right in my model so..
Just want to be sure and accurate ;)
Thanks you very much !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/34.jpg)
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Remember that THE original TV was pretty far away from the bezel and under a different angel so that might be we it looks strange. You placed the bezel directly on the TV which is not a good comparison.
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Yeah, i know that, but that was not wat was looking strange to me, i have the feeling that measurements "B" & "F" are not correct in my model..
The hole is fine i guess, but i was thinking, if i am asking measurements anyway, i might as well ask all of them in the bezel area ;)
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Bruno, I know you are very busy, but could you check the folowing measurements for me when you got time please ?
I am in doubt about the measurements that i have found on the net, something does not look right in my model so..
Just want to be sure and accurate ;)
Thanks you very much !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/34.jpg)
OK, here we go 8) :arrow:
A : 60,7 cm
B : 11 cm
C : 4,5 cm
D : 5 cm
E : 33 cm
F : 5 cm
G : 24,8 cm
H : 45,7 cm
I : 12,5 cm
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Bruno, youre the best ;) :spaceace:
Thank you !
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The weather cleared a bit this night, so i could do a little planning in the garden / working area ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/35.jpg)
Before i want to start cutting the wood, i wanted to make sure that the tv fits, so i started recalculating everything and made a cardboard model.
I have doubts that the tv fits because the scale may be 1:2 and the tv is only 7", the neck is still deep.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/36.jpg)
As expected... :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/37.jpg)
Well, its only a extra 5 cm. i need in the back, so i think i have no other choice then to make it 5 cm deeper.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/38.jpg)
Talking about the back, does anybody have a picture of the back for me?
Then i can also see how i need to make the backdoor...
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Maybe removing the cover will give a bit of extra space ?
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It would, but not the required 5 cm.. :-\
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Talking about the back, does anybody have a picture of the back for me?
Then i can also see how i need to make the backdoor...
Does this help?
(http://i548.photobucket.com/albums/ii326/kalod123/orig_pong_ebay.jpg)
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It does !
Thanks ! :spaceace:
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After i created the cardboard model, it was time to find me some wood..
Again, like last project, an old pallet will do fine :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/39.jpg)
Compared to last years pallet, this is much better quality and not as bended as the other one, its also more thick.
Time to remove some things that are in the way ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/40.jpg)
As expected... 8)
exactly enough to build this project.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/41.jpg)
did also a bit on the cosmetic part today, as i needed to fill my file that goes to the printer, i used that last space left in my file for the control panel.
I squeezed it in 2 times, in case i screw up :P
In the file for the white vinyl, i also had some space left so i just put the bezel / controlpanel in there..
So Robin, if your'e reading, i don't need the yellow paint leftover anymore ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/42.jpg)
Friday i will bring the material to the printers before work, and maybe it will be ready after work, otherwise i can pick it up next week when i am visiting the same customer that is near the location of the printer..
Time to start thinking about the coinslot and T-molding....
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Just noticed that the original has the TV tilted backwards which would make things even worse in your case since the TV would need even more space......
Love your choice of materials. :) Wood is very expensive these days and you are recycling ! :)
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Will keep the tv flat i think, and those are exactly the two reasons why i went this route for the wood :D
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Love your choice of materials. :) Wood is very expensive these days and you are recycling ! :)
DAMN!!!! How expensive is wood in Europe?? In Canada, I wouldn't be able to give away the pallets of wood!
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compared to other places in the world i think wood is expensive, well at least in the DIY shops..
This is indeed bigger than what i have here, but its still € 22,- and then i am not recycling.
Recycling is the first reason that i use this, second is the price.
I mean, now its free, and otherwise this pallet would go to the dumpster.
Its not a so called "europallet" which are normally not going to the dumpster because they have deposit on them
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Here's what my local home depot sells it (closest size I found was 1/2" thick 4'x8' sheet) at 17.45$CDN per sheet. But a lot of times the store price is a lot less.
17.45$ CDN = 13.55 euro
Mind you that's going to be a STRONG cab! Select spruce plywood means very little to no knots, high quality plywood. If you went with MDF, the cost would be 50% of that (most late model cabs tend to use that).
And now you know why North American cabs are mostly made of wood -- because it's the cheapest material to build with! :)
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:D
Picture is taken on the lijnbaan in rotterdam
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Waaah, cool ! There was a Space Invaders themed "cab" on the Lijnbaan the monday after Eurocade 2011 when we walked there with the Speleo_DE family....I took pictures, gotta find them...
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After the cardboard model, i moved over to the wood..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/43.jpg)
Let's check the depth of the cabinet after i added 5 cm to it.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/44.jpg)
Cutted the sheet up into two pieces, which i sandwiched so i can cut it out in one go.
First i drilled out the curve with a holecutter...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/45.jpg)
After that it was time for the Jigsaw to do its job 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/46.jpg)
The front part was cutout roughly, because one of the sheets was a tiny bit bigger.. :-\
My friend the beltsander took care of that. ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/47.jpg)
After removing the clamps, i ended up with two identical sidepanels..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/48.jpg)
Lets put it a bit together to get a general idea of the end product.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/49.jpg)
It starts to look like a Pong cabinet ! :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/50.jpg)
Time to start with the other panels..
TBC..
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looking good Etienne! - will it take the Sacc place on this years EuroCade?
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looking good Etienne! - will it take the Zacc's place on this years EuroCade?
Ofcourse ! ;D
Thanks Muerto!
(i can almost work with you as a carpenter ;) ;D :D)
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You have very useful tools and you handle them very nice. ;D
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A belt sander, now there's a tool I still need. I think CPOs will go off much quicker with one of those....
Ah....it's almost fathers day ;););)
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wonderful job so far, etienne! i love the dedication you put into projects like this :-*
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Good job Etienne !!! I love this kind of projects :wink:
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Time to start creating the other panels..
Close your ears little helper ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/51.jpg)
Sawing with care and using a guide is the most easy way IYAM :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/52.jpg)
Lets try it out and get a general idea of how it fits.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/53.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/54.jpg)
I just need to create the angles at the edges, and then i can start with the bottom and the back part..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/55.jpg)
Next up, planning the hole in the bezel.. 8)
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Glad the little helper covers his ears.....he seems to be dangerously close to that saw....
Great progress !! Gonna love to play this ! :)
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That guide with the clamps is a brilliant idea, love it. :D
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Glad the little helper covers his ears.....he seems to be dangerously close to that saw....
Great progress !! Gonna love to play this ! :)
I need to admid that i faked the action in that pic ;D
The second pic i am actually sawing, the first pic is just me and the little helper acting 8)
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you make it all seem so easy, this is going to be even better then the first one. ;D ;D
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Thanks Pieter, imagine how #3 will look ::) ;D
Okay, Bezel Time !
Made some plans to determine the points where to drill..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/56.jpg)
transfered the drilling points to the wood..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/57.jpg)
After drilling with the 32mm sawdrill, the radius is 16 mm, which translates to a radius of 32 mm in the real 1:1 cabinet.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/58.jpg)
some lines and its time for the jigsaw again.. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/59.jpg)
Perfect Cutout :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/60.jpg)
Drilled the same holes in the CP after calculating them, and the pots fit..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/61.jpg)
Enough for today, later more ::)
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Cool nice job!!! :spaceace:
Hey Etienne ...
new Retrogamer issue 104 is for you ... check it out:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aHwMUErgrJ0&feature=em-uploademail
8)
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Thanks for the link screen !
I will review it tonight.
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Was looking at your test video again and noticed the long connector of the mains on the back. You might be able to find a 90 degree version at one of your clients to save some space at the back ;)
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Yeah, i had the same idea, it does come out pretty deep, but......
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It has also a 12V connector which is at the same level as the signal input ::) (deeper than the rear)
So i am planning to use the 12 volt connector, and just hook up an old adapter :P
Made a little progress today, not much..
Started to glue the supports with my favorite construction glue:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/62.jpg)
The little helper was not so productive today, beside taking out some grass with the clawhammer :o
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/63.jpg)
And because there will be a vinyl bezel on the wood, i applied a thin layer of putty, so i will have a smooth surface.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/64.jpg)
And then came the boring part; Drying time... 8)
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LOL !!!! Your son has your McGyver blood :):) OK, this is a futile try, but by thinking "out of the box" like this he will find inventive solutions like you do ;)
Also, good you have a couple of clamps ;);)
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hehe, yeah, better safe than sorry, i just clamped all the clamps i had ;D
Anyway, again the garden transformated into a working area today :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/65.jpg)
I had some very thick multiplex leftover, so i figured it is a perfect candidate for the bottom of the cabinet, it will give it a bit of a contraweight, which is nice i think , since the tv makes the cabinet a bit "topheavy"
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/66.jpg)
Made the angle with the beltsander, with some 80 grid on it, that really eats the wood like a hungry child ! :o
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/67.jpg)
After that i transfered the guidelines over to the second sidepanel, and made the supports for that side.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/68.jpg)
Again some clamps after glue-ing ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/69.jpg)
Time to dry again ;)
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keep up the good work ;)
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Hey Etienne, what clamps do you use to fix the belt sander upside down and are these supposed to be included with the machine ?
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This "Gamma" machine has them included, and also a frame that goes around it (you can see that inside of the Toolbox)
I have never used these accessoires yet, so i cannot tell you how they function.
I was looking at a Bosch at first but compared with the times that i need it and the price, this was a better option at the time.
(http://s3.amazonaws.com/voordeelmuis/447/447751.gif)
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Hah.....I just bought a Bosch...
(http://www.bosch-do-it.nl/boptocs2-nl/modules/oragetblob.dll/10499.jpg?db=ocsr55_s041&item=advasta.r55.v$m$d$lobvalues&id=10499,32,283316&maxwidth=700&maxheight=440&filename=Snellemateriaalafname.jpg)
http://www.bosch-do-it.nl/boptocs2-nl/Doe-het-zelver/Gereedschappen/NL/nl/hw/Bandschuurmachines/95253/PBS+7+A/7577/3165140257862/index.htm
There was 25% off offer this week at Gamma so I figured....what the heck....
The only downside on this one is it doesn't have a variable speed. Do you change it a lot ? I thought it would be something like the variable power in a vacuum cleaner: you NEVER turn the power down ! But maybe I'm wrong in this case ?
Funny thing: the one I bought is made in Hungary (hello Béla !) but the model that has variable speed but is almost identical otherwise said Made in Holland" (WTFBBQ !!!). First of all amazing they actually still make something here but if the product is so similar, why not do it in one factory ? Or maybe the electronic one I saw was a bit older and they recently moved production ;)
Whatever....bought some clamps to fix it.
Maybe I should have gone for the Gamma one....Indeed it's not that I'm going to use it a lot, but on the other hand, I hate it when my tools are irritating me for some reason....not to say the Gamma would but I guess it's just a weird old feeling...
Actually I was thinking of buying a used one from Marktplaats first with the 25% off prices came pretty close and now I have 3 years warranty on this one....
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I never turn the speed down, always full throttle :twisted: ;D
But be carefull, this type of sander is really powerfull, before you know it you are through the wood !
so use with caution, and do practice on a spare piece of wood..
oh, and this is a very good tip; secure your piece !:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtOH4JSl2Ic
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Today i glue-ed the beginning together
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/70.jpg)
First i put it together without glue to check if everything fits as planned..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/71.jpg)
and after that glue-ed everything together and clamped it up..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/72.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/73.jpg)
Moved it into the shed because maybe there will be rain..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/74.jpg)
And you have guessed it...... yes, dry time :P
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I hate dry time !
In the mean time.....who said I bought my belt sander for sanding ?
I plan on participating in this:
http://youtu.be/-UWDyvoAXDY
;D ;D ;D (Notice that the Bosch is very fast and easily beats the Wurth, even though the "driver" starts quite slow.... ;)
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Etienne, what value are the pots ? If they are 5K I still have 2 here that came from my SW yoke. They are really pro quality and they still worked fine when I replaced them with the new one's.
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dont know, i cannot see any value printed on them.. :roll:
But according to the schematics of the chip earlier, they are 1M ohm
and in its path to the chip there is a resistor of 10K
(http://www.electronixandmore.com/projects/pongman/pongman.gif)
Thanks for the offer though, but they still function fine, they are probably not used so much as in a comercial cabinet :P
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fabulous, etienne! isn't it just great when everything's coming together smoothly?
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Its great Ully!, thanks
Yesterday not much updates, we only brought the cab to "life" ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/75.jpg)
The controls feel a bit weird though.. :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/76.jpg)
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fitted the kickplate and glued it in place..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/77.jpg)
i was a bit too enthausiast with the glue :oops:
But that is removed already by now ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/78.jpg)
I got a new camera for fathersday (thank you honey ;)) and it has a option to do some effects..
lets try something "arcade stylish"... my favorite while vectoring... HALFTONE :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/79.jpg)
By now i have applied Super Ully's technique (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2725.msg39426#msg39426) on one of the side panels to prepare it for sidearts, its drying now and waiting for a sanding job..
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:spaceace: :spaceace: :-* :-*
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Will it be ready to test-play next Saturday ? ;D ;D
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Will it be ready to test-play next Saturday ? ;D ;D
hmmm, it might be possible if i just throw in the guts ;D
Realisticly, no, you need to wait untill Eurocade like anybody else :P
I am a bit busy this week, (more later on that on this forum) so not much time to work on this..
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Hi man,
realy nice project that you have there . :)
But why dismantle an authentic pong console?.. This model is georgous! My fav!
You can use a modern pong pcb.
Can be found in most Velleman dealer, like here:
http://www.electra-breda.nl/ (http://www.electra-breda.nl/)
It's called MK121 from velleman. cost about 20eur, and have a composite output ;)
Good luck for the rest. :)
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Thanks, but i already hacked through the old pong console, and the leftovers are in the garbage bin...
That store is in my town, and is my "standard" electronic supplier ;D
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The Velleman kit isn't suitable and an offense against real Pong !!
It uses PUSHBUTTONS for up down movement of the paddles which is of course INSANE because you completely loose the speed factor of a pot that you can move as fast or slow as you want. this takes away 80% of the fun and original game feel.
Further, it looks really awkward. paddles and ball look WAY too thick, it's like playing Pong on a 5 cm. screen.
Everything else looks different too. Also.....the gameplay sucks even more, because it clearly doesnt make a difference if you hit the ball in the middle of the paddle or on the edge, which is very important of course to get different angles.
Look at this video from 19.48....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuE215b3bSQ&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Another thing: the ball is served from the paddle which is also wrong....
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Yes, i need to agree, the velleman isnt suitable..
Lets just compare the differences between them only by image, not talking about controls yet.. ::)
Judge for yourself..
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Lol! ;D
Looks very good, and again, the speed is amazing. :spaceace:
Btw, you should make smaller, Pong (or other arcade) themed bird houses, i would buy one right away!! :o ;D :D
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Thanks, although the speed is not important for now, i still have untill september ;D
After sanding the side...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/80.jpg)
There are still some minor grooves in the wood :-\
Next project will be MDF i think...
Looks like i need to do another go with the bondo..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/81.jpg)
Also cutted and glued the supports for the backside..
suddenly the little helper came and had the look in his eyes like i did something wrong...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/82.jpg)
Hey daddy, let me show you how to put the clamps there !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/83.jpg)
You see?, thats how you do it ! ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/84.jpg)
Drying time :D
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Indeed the velleman is crappy. :oops:
So atari 2600ish..
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hilarious pics of your son, etienne! :lol:
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Geezzzz....I worked with the belt-sander two days ago. What can I say, I already love it !
However....if anyone else is interested in getting one....some warnings:
1) wear ear protection......the noise is TERRIBLE.....
2) these things eat......I mean they EAT.....I've been doing the CP of my Ms.Pac Man. I think that CP has taken me the most time of ALL the CPs I've done so far. Now, I was maybe impatient but I had fixed the belt-sander upside down to my Workmate and pushed the metal stuff (also LL marquee retainers, LL monitor parts) over the sander. What you do NOT want to do (even though it's tempting) is to use the edges of the plate or even the front roller. It's tempting because it's "hitting" really hard there so it takes away what you want to be taken away but.....also more......I have several clear dents in f.i. the retainers. The CP is mostly OK as I didn't use it much there...but again, be patient and careful.
I will have to bondo the dents out now.....and Bondo and I.....we just don't seem to be good friends....
I also cleaned the CRT which came out pretty nicely. Some of the aquadag started flaking at the edge so I had to be careful but it's OK now.
Transistors arrived and replaced the bad one. Want to test in the cab but for a change it's raining at the moment....
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I told you to be carefull and that its a really powerfull machine...
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Very nice build Etienne. I envy you guys with so much knowledge and two right hands. :)
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Thanks Reboot !
After the Eurocade crew meeting, i worked a bit on the control panel.
Lets find a piece of metal first..
Yeah, I think this old pc case door will do..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/85.jpg)
After all it has passed "Denco's" Quality control ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/86.jpg)
Started with the manual iron saw.. :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/87.jpg)
then i realised i am more lazy then i thought i where :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/88.jpg)
As discussed before, my beltsander has the clamps for stationary use, so lets try it out..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/89.jpg)
Repeated this on all 4 sides and checked with a hook and a straight piece of metal..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/90.jpg)
Used a center point to mark the drilling points, and drilled the holes for the potmeters after that..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/91.jpg)
Pots fit like a glove :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/92.jpg)
Lets see if it fits in the holes that are already in the cabinet..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/93.jpg)
And now in place..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/94.jpg)
Just for the idea i have put the paper version of the CPO there ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/95.jpg)
Thats it for today 8)
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Great Etienne! I like to see materials used which wasent supposed to be used this way!! :spaceace:
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Nice project, can't wait to see the final result.
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i agree with what michael wrote: this is very mcgyver-esque!
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This is looking great Etienne!
What's the serial number for this model? Im sure it's a rare limited run, right?
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Thanks!
According to my scale Alu sticker it is serial # ZZ-901, and i started counting at 900 ;D
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Love the result !!! :-* :spaceace:
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Little update today..
I could not let the CP "unfinished" so it was time to apply the CPO..
First i want to try out the punch on the alusticker to practice a bit..
Goes very well and easy:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/96.jpg)
Then after i did that on the real CPO it was time to position it..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/97.jpg)
After i screwed up the first CPO, (it rolled up after i removed the adhesive protection... i could not undo that without damaging it..)
Luckily i had them printed twice so i was not totally screwed :P
here is the second appied and trimmed half..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/98.jpg)
Trimmed totally and ready for "Pot installation" ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/99.jpg)
Carefully tightened the nuts to prevent damage..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/100.jpg)
And finished 8)
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It's so cute ! ;D ;D
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Great job. :)
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N1. ;)
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i really like what you're doing with that project, etienne! thumbs up from superully!!!
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Found some knobs today, so now the CP is really done 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/101.jpg)
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So sexy ... congratulations Etienne :spaceace:
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Little progress again, Sanded everything as smooth as possible..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/102.jpg)
Went shopping for leg levelers, pre-drilled a bit with a speeddrill 25mm to sink them into the wood.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/103.jpg)
Then i drilled the centerhole with 10mm to fit them inside..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/104.jpg)
some gentle hammering and they are in place ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/105.jpg)
After my little helper inserted the carriage bolts its now standing on his feet :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/106.jpg)
While i was at the DIY store, i found some "iron on glue tape", i think it will be a perfect substitude for T moulding.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/107.jpg)
Now i need to create a "roof" and a backdoor.
And then i think its time to fit the TV inside and create those supports..
And finaly after that i can start with sidearts and bezel lamination 8)
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Took a look at the TV, it turned out that the 5 cm that i added to the depth of the cabinet was not enough if i want to tilt the monitor like the original like Andre already told me here ..
Just noticed that the original has the TV tilted backwards which would make things even worse in your case since the TV would need even more space......
So i decided to take the cover off after all ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/108.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/109.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/110.jpg)
Who said that only giraffes have long neck's ? :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/111.jpg)
Looks like i can just make a frame and tilt it afterall :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/112.jpg)
Space enough i think..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/113.jpg)
The chassis can go in one of the sides next to the tube and on the other side the pong PCB..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/114.jpg)
Too bad i have other obligations this night, i am in the mood to continue :twisted:
Ah well, there are more days untill Eurocade to finish it, and like always its better not to rush and take a bit extra time ;)
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Cute tube ! :)
It will look even mee like a real arcade machine with a bare tube and PCB.......o wait .....pong used a TV ;););)
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Looks fantastic!
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Nice weather this night, so...
Yep, time for some wood, clamps, guide and some measuring ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/115.jpg)
Lets prepare the next piece of scrap wood to create a backdoor and monitor support..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/116.jpg)
This time the little helper is using some protection for his ears :lol:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/117.jpg)
After some sawing the panels are ready..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/118.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/119.jpg)
I dont know what it is with children, but they seem to have fun by climbing inside tiny places :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/120.jpg)
Check for yourself to see he is having fun in his own way ..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omdaW9ANaoM&feature=youtu.be (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omdaW9ANaoM&feature=youtu.be)
After some fun (for my little helper so to speak) it was time to glue the bottom part in place, and ofcourse you have guessed it by now..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/121.jpg)
Indeed !, Drying time....
Another day more guys.. :wink:
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Visited the local Ikea today for breakfast, and on the way out i passed the "leftover corner"
After some searching i found this plank that had the same thickness as the rest, its black laminated, and it was cheap :wink:
This will make the perfect topcover that i still need..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/122.jpg)
Nice weather today, so i started with the last sanding portion..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/123.jpg)
Then i sawed the fresh plank to the measurements that i need..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/124.jpg)
Then i measured my leftover and it was enough to build the backdoor and the monitor support from.. ::)
So i decided to ditch the door and support that i made last time.
Backdoor in place.. fits like a glove :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/125.jpg)
"Roof" in place.. :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/126.jpg)
And from another angle..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/127.jpg)
Last leftover cut to size, ready to cut a monitor hole in there
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/128.jpg)
Same procedure as the window in the cabinet, first 4 holes..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/129.jpg)
And then saw the inner part out.. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/130.jpg)
It fits, but there is a bit too much space around, so i only use the normal screws in the bottom..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/131.jpg)
for the top, i cannot screw in the tiny bit that i have in that corner..
Time to be creative again.. ::)
Take 2 of those old electric pipe clamps..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/132.jpg)
Hammer them flat, and spray paint them again..
The can go diagonal over the "topeyes" from the monitor..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/133.jpg)
Now thats finished, time to put the panel in position and create some supports..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/134.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/135.jpg)
After measuring, i took out the protective foil..
Did i say shiny ? ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/136.jpg)
Some supports glued in place..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/137.jpg)
And again Drying time.. >:(
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/138.jpg)
While drying, i finished the edges of the "Roof"
Lets see, "iron on strip"
Oh Wifeyyyyy, i need your Iron ;D ;D ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/139.jpg)
One side done, time to cut off the leftovers with a special tool..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/140.jpg)
I need to say that after some practicing, it works really well..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/141.jpg)
And the roof is finished.. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/142.jpg)
I will leave the protective foil on there untill the end.
Plenty of time when its finished to remove this foil..
I think that i got all the construction work done now,
May be a little detail sanding, but thats it..
Oh and i need to drill still the backdoor lock, but will do that after the monitor is in..
i dont want that i break the neck when i have the lock also in the center..
so will measure the space first and then find out how to make the door lock :arrow:
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see, ikea is good for something after all ... :P
fabulous job, etienne, this is getting better by the minute!!!
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(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/123.jpg)
That's what I call woodgrain!
Great topic to follow, Etienne Gyver.
:spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
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After some searching i found this plank that had the same thickness as the rest, its black laminated, and it was cheap
...and it looks great. The shiny surface adds a special look and touch (beware of fingerprints ;)) to your project :o.
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Looks great :D
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:spaceace: :spaceace: :-* :-*
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Time to do some practice on the vinyl apply-ing, as i only have one yellow "bezel"
I dont want to screw that up.. :wink:
I have some leftover from the printing so that is good practice stuff.
Also i bought some nice Woodgrain vinyl for the other parts..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/143.jpg)
Cut a piece from the roll and started to appy it..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/144.jpg)
Not too bad for a first time, but i need to practice again... ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/145.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/146.jpg)
Then i mounted the monitor and chassis in place, and of course i could not resist to turn it on to check if everything is in working order....
drumroll...
drrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.
(http://girlsheartbooks.files.wordpress.com/2011/11/drum-roll-31.gif)
YES !!!! we have neckglow ! :-*
But then i looked at the screen....
.............
.........
....
My worst nightmare happened !! :o
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/147.jpg)
Indeed ! Vertical collapse !
F.....CKKKKKKKKKKKK !!! :twisted:
So now what ?
I tried some basics, like fiddling with various wires and connectors, but all it did was frustrate me more..
(https://encrypted-tbn2.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQShwXnjYTc9dh8ATcIo8E8fsOLpe2R2AZJrY49qNrCA_7jUqgo)
So i emailed a very knowlegde-able man, and explained what happened, and that i really need help because i have a deadline..
ofcourse i received a very calming reply from my Shrink :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/148.jpg)
He advised me not to panic and if i had analysed this and analysed that ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/149.jpg)
anyway, the day after, in all rest i started with removing the chassis from the cabinet and inspect it as best as i could.
Measured the basics (diodes, transistors, suspicious print tracks, etc)
but all measured good..
Damn! :twisted: now what...
Well i did noticed that there was almost no tin on the joints from the bath that it took in the factory.
With those two knowledges, i returned to basics, and started to resolder every solderjoint i could find on the PCB.
After one hour of soldering i connected the pcb to the tube and gave it a try.
See for yourself where we stand now...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/mov2.jpg) (http://youtu.be/HEEnqmEjLVM)
I hope it is now fixed permanently..
Ahh sure it will be, Trust me, i am an Engineer (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D7MYXEyiZy8) ! ;D
Now its time to move on with the rest !
I am glad that is behind me.... :arrow:
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Pfoe, fortune is with us. For a moment I was afraid that we had to cancel Eurocade!! ;D
Great work Etiènne.
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Today i mounted a line filter / euroconnector combi
after that i installed a 2way walloutlet, 1 for the TV and one for the 9V adapter for the pong PCB
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/150.jpg)
Then i turned the unit on to check the power......
F#CK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/151.jpg)
Played a bit with the chassis (carefully bending and tapping with the back of a screwdriver) and a bit of image is back..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/152.jpg)
Played a bit more , and the image changes again..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/153.jpg)
And finally after holding the board in a certain position it stays like it should..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/154.jpg)
I guess i need to re-check the chassis again for broken traces / bad solderjoints..
I thought i had them all last time, but i think i need to use some wire bridges here and there :evil:
Another day though, i am not in a mood to focus and concentrate good ATM... ;D
I do have a backup plan, but i really would like this setup to be functional at Eurocade 2012 ! :pac:
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I removed the chassis for repair later, and prepared the cab for a session of vinyl :P
After all there is a deadline, so i decided that the TV fix can wait and continue with the cosmetic side of this project.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/155.jpg)
A piece of vinyl cut roughly to size..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/156.jpg)
On the back of the vinyl, there is a grid printed so i lined that up with the back of the cabinet and clamped it down.
This way i am sure that i apply it as straight as i can.. :P
First one little piece, then removed the clamps and did the rest.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/157.jpg)
One side done !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/158.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/159.jpg)
I folded the vinyl into the back, so it will look like one piece once the backdoor is in place..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/160.jpg)
After a little break, time for side #2..
A gardenchair pillow is exactly the correct size to give the first side maximum protection...
actually, it was the first thing whitin reach ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/161.jpg)
Almost there !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/162.jpg)
i pressed the edge of the vinyl and created a nice little bend to have the corner stick good, and its an excelent guide to see the point where i need to cut it later.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/163.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/164.jpg)
By now the sun was down and i was done for today..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/165.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/166.jpg)
I am very satisfied with the result ! :)
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Starts to look like a Pong, nice job! ;)
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Looking great :)
Gotta love the TV for playing its role as old uhhhhh.....arcade TV/monitor so well by showing these problems :)
You will find the problem. I know you will. Take a deep breath...........1........2...........3........4.......5 yesssss.....
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Looking great :)
Gotta love the TV for playing its role as old uhhhhh.....arcade TV/monitor so well by showing these problems :)
You will find the problem. I know you will. Take a deep breath...........1........2...........3........4.......5 yesssss.....
Thanks again my Shrink ! ;D ;) ;D ;) ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/148.jpg)
Seriously, it does have its charm indeed that the old hardware is quitting on us...
Will do my best, but you may expect some PM's / phonecalls / visits if i don't succeed ;D ;D
Or i could call in the help from Horace Pinker, he's a TV repair guy :D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRRM4KGgJgs (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gRRM4KGgJgs)
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that drawing is serious LOL :)
It's a bit outdated though, I changed my glasses for contacts and shaved my beard quite some years ago ;)
I just checked with my secretary and you have another appointment for your next session in the second half of next week. Exact date and time will be agreed with you by Wednesday ;)
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:D
Don't know when i can have my session, i will be leaving for holidays next week..
Anyway, will first finish the rest, tv can be fixed later,
Or ..
Swapped ::)
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All this messing with B/W tubes etc. made me get another crazy idea: wouldn't it be cute to have a tiny vector monitor like that ? "All" that is needed is rewinding the yoke and a vector chassis... would love to have a test monitor like that.
I've seen Jrok winding a yoke for a color vector so it can be done. We do need to know HOW to rewind it though (nr. of windings).....but I am derailing...
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That would be handy for next years piggybank...
a 2:1 scale model Starwars Cockpit :o
:D
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This is coming along really well Etienne, you're inspiring me to do a few mini projects i've had in mind for a while ;)
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Thanks Polaris,
And please turn the inspiration to reality and make alot of pics in the progress ;)
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Today was "Disasterday" >:(
Oh well, lets call it "setbackday" that fits better, because what happened can be fixed..
Anyway, i was trying to make the inner sides, and as you can see they have some diagonals, and to make it look right i need to apply the vinyl "straight"
so i made a template out or cardboard;
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/167.jpg)
then trace it on the vinyl..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/168.jpg)
And then cut those out twice because there is a small chance that i screw up :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/169.jpg)
Then i applied the first one, and returned to the otherside of the garden to get the other part of vinyl
While i was with my back to the cab, i heard a loud bang behind me! :o
The cabinet has fallen from the table... >:(
Damage to the edges and points where it landed on was the result..
Lesson learned; Don't place the cabinet straight up on the gardenchair pillow.... but place it on a nice stabile surface...
So i looked good at the vinyl, and it was beyond my limit of damage that i could live with..
I went to the store and bought new vinyl
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/170.jpg)
Then i removed the old vinyl, and i must say that it has a very good adhesive...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/171.jpg)
It ripped out alot of splinters from the wood while removing..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/172.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/173.jpg)
Time to bodo it again :(
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/174.jpg)
Corner fixed and ready for sanding..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/175.jpg)
Did the rest after the first side was dry, and now its time to let it sit overnight and then i can do my favorite job again....
Sanding everything down again :twisted:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/176.jpg)
Like i said, when it happened it felt like a disaster, but its repairable, so now i can see it as a setback.
one profit though, i had a practice round of apply-ing the vinyl, so next time it will go more easy :D
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Bad luck, but fortunately you seem to be able to handle this kind of diaster in a mature way.
On the positive side, we will appreciate your effort now even more then we already did. :)
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....as long as the tube survived.....;)
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Bad luck, but fortunately you seem to be able to handle this kind of diaster in a mature way.
I have not wrote down the period between the accident and returning from the store ;D :D ;D
Tube survived (i hope...)
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By the way, eurocade will cover the extra costs. ;D
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What, is the treasurer taking big financial decisions without informing the board ? T-t-t-t !
;D ;D ;D ;D
P.S. thanks for "resqueing" another B/W TV for me :)
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And after 2 sessions of bondo-ing and sanding, i am ready for another go at the vinyl ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/177.jpg)
Same procedure as before, cut roughly to size..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/178.jpg)
Clamp it up with the grid on the rear matching the straight backside..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/179.jpg)
First side done ! :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/180.jpg)
And except for the kickplate, we are back at the point where i left off :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/181.jpg)
Just i noticed that this vinyl is a bit different.. i see like it is "devided" in the motive..
It looks like two or three planks together instead of one big plank like the other vinyl..
strange because its the same brand..
I will not remove it again, because i need to bondo and sand again then.. :twisted:
I think i can live with it how it is now :wink:
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After the sides i applied the bezel and controlpanel, only this vinyl is much thinner then the ones from the diy shop :-\
So there is some of the wood pattern visible through the vinyl
I do have one printed and laminated extra, so if it bothers me too much i will install that in front..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/182.jpg)
After i installed the controlpanel with double sided tape, i connected all the wires of the pong unit...
Houston, we have another problem >:(
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/vid3.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qf0QPRfKUg)
clickpic..
then i checked everything again, and the only difference i could find is that i now used a smaller adapter..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/vid4.jpg) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yM-AX-3xnqA)
clickpic..
The small adapter that i used was 9v/150ma and the one i used while testing was 300ma
That however had a switchable voltage, so i like to keep that out of this build, and i replaced it wit a 750ma model
Now its running without problems, i can go on holiday without stress ;D
So see you guys in a week orso ;)
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Looking awesome, have a nice holiday Etienne! :spaceace:
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Looking awesome, have a nice holiday Etienne! :spaceace:
+1
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Great job Etienne!!!
I've a question, can you give me some data about this DCFIX vinyl (serial/color):
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1815/170gl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/170gl.jpg/)
Thanks!!! ... enjoy your holiday.
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Never post when you are away on public places on Internet.......
The Pong looks totally f....ing awesome ! :):) Can't wait to play it !
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Thanks Guys!
Great job Etienne!!!
I've a question, can you give me some data about this DCFIX vinyl (serial/color):
(http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/1815/170gl.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/841/170gl.jpg/)
Thanks!!! ... enjoy your holiday.
Sure, the second vinyl i bought was "Eiche" with pattern "Wildwuchs"
The first vinyl was i think also Eiche but with pattern "Hell", or it was "Chestnut" (dont have the package anymore ;) )
I know now (after visiting the website with samples http://www.d-c-fix-shop.de/produktbereich/deko-folien-selbstklebend.html (http://www.d-c-fix-shop.de/produktbereich/deko-folien-selbstklebend.html)) that i should have taken "Natural" that looks the most identical to the original pong if you ask me..
hmmm... i can take it off again... ::)
Nehh just kidding ! :lol:
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Thanks for the info!!!
:spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
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Do i smell a new Scr33n Scratch build ? ::)
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Do i smell a new Scr33n Scratch build ? ::)
Mmmmmmhh .... I don't know .... I'm thinking ... and the warm weather don't help me :evil:
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Back from holidays, so its time to work again..
And by work i mean it's Mini Pong Time :D
My neighbour was cleaning out his garage, and i spotted some glass..
You can have it he said.
It will make a nice window that i still need.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/183.jpg)
Looks like its wide enough, only inside the unit there are supports which make it smaller..
so i need it cut it..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/184.jpg)
Same procedure as for the saw, a guide with some clamps.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/185.jpg)
Hmmm, it won't break, nomatter what i try, it won't budge >:(
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/186.jpg)
I think this is tempered glass, let's take some precautions, as i have broken tempered glass before..
Exactly ! its tempered glass, just as i thought :twisted:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/187.jpg)
Will look for some piece of normal glass some day.
After that i drilled 2 holes under an angle for the coin/bill slot.
Last years piggybank had trouble with bills and it cluttered up in the slot, don't want that to happen again 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/188.jpg)
A little off because the drill "walked away" :-[
Well, i can live with it.
After all, i have a spare decal for the coinslot and a spare piece of vinyl, so i can always close it again.
Or maybe i will make a metal faceplate that will cover it.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/189.jpg)
Then i started cleaning up the wirepart..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/190.jpg)
A cable guide to prevent that the cables interfear with all the bills that need to go in ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/191.jpg)
Pong PCB mounted next to the monitor, and tywrapped the harness.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/192.jpg)
The powerside, also nice and tidy.. :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/193.jpg)
And this is where we stand now. :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/194.jpg)
I have some more free days from work, so soon more updates ;)
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Looking good Etienne!!!
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this looks really really nice, etienne! i'm a fan of that pong pcb ;)
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I still have some old bezel glass right here....
This is going to be so sweet :)
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Really nice.
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Today i accompanied my wife for some shopping at the local discounter store "Action" (http://www.action.nl/)
I spotted some fotoframes, and bought the A4 size, that will fit good i think..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/195.jpg)
That's what i need, The price was ok, it cost me a whopping 89 Eurocents ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/196.jpg)
See , fits like a glove 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/197.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/198.jpg)
Next up, the inner bezel, before i will do the cardboard, i was thinking how to make that fit nicely on the tube side, and i discovered that on the real Pong cabinet it is taped to the front of the tv, so that gave me the idea to use the original front of the tv.
What will fit better than the original right ;)
Let's make some adjustments to that part so i can install that on the tube.
Got a grinderwheel in the dremel, and i am ready to cut.. :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/199.jpg)
Hmm, that does not smell good, it melts.. :twisted:
Lets switch the blade for something more nasty, a mini saw !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/200.jpg)
That did the job :)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/201.jpg)
Fits good..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/202.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/203.jpg)
Because its a bit of grey, i prepped the cover by cleaning it, now ready for some shots of Black spray paint :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/204.jpg)
One...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/205.jpg)
Two...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/206.jpg)
And three coats done :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/207.jpg)
Next up, the sides of the front with woodgrain vinyl
Although this is the last vinyl session, its also the more tricky with the angles..
A little piece of cardboard as a template helps alot !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/208.jpg)
After applying..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/209.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/210.jpg)
The little helper liked the leftovers of vinyl, and pasted them to the back of my shirt as i was working ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/211.jpg)
And this is how it looks now, i placed the top on it for the pic, will attach that at last to prevent damage..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/212.jpg)
Almost there..
Things to do:
Backdoor latch and key
(T)moulding
painting the inside of the bezelwindow yellow
paint the upper and lower back in black
Attach the Alu serial sticker on the back
fix the glass to the bezel
cardboard inner bezel
i hope i did not forget anything in this list
Ah yeah... Play it ofcourse ::)
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Awesome! ;)
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CooooooooooLLLLLL!!! :spaceace: :-*
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Love the action, the ultimate store to buy crap you don't need! :D ;)
The cab looks very, very nice, you're a real craftsman!
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Love the action, the ultimate store to buy crap you don't need! :D ;)
The cab looks very, very nice, you're a real craftsman!
Totally agreed !
Can you tell me where you got that telescopic arm which you used to hang up the piece to spray paint ? I need something like that....
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macgyver did it again - and this time he even put on his "vinyl camouflage shirt" :D
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Thanks for your nice comments guys!
Its almost done, just a few details left.
Totally agreed !
Can you tell me where you got that telescopic arm which you used to hang up the piece to spray paint ? I need something like that....
Sure, it was part of the dremel kit i bought at the local Aldi last year:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/77.jpg)
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Rats I need to look at the Aldi folders better ;)
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Cant wait to see this project IRL!!! :spaceace:
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Soon you can ;)
ATM i am finishing the backdoor ;)
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Time to do some cleaning up in the shed, let's start to salvage some parts that i want to use and throw out the rest..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/213.jpg)
After cleaning, i started on the backdoor, lets see if i can mount the lock in the center..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/214.jpg)
Its very very close to the neck of the tv (as expected) so i decided to place it out of the center..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/215.jpg)
And like Ully always says, a cabinet is not finished without a keychain ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/216.jpg)
This is how it looks after drilling and mounting.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/217.jpg)
As you can see , i got much more space in this position, no risk on damaging the CRT..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/218.jpg)
Moving on with the backdoor, masked everything so i can spray the edges.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/219.jpg)
I love fast drying paint .. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/220.jpg)
Same for the cabinet, masking ready..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/221.jpg)
And black it is :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/222.jpg)
I finished the back by applying the decals, an overview..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/223.jpg)
A piece of wood is needed to make the lock fit tight, a small piece of a "roerhoutje" will do fine ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/224.jpg)
Detail shot of the serialplate, scaled ofcourse.. :-*
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/225.jpg)
The lock in place with keychain..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/226.jpg)
And the power sticker..
I never knew they made pong's in Holland ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/227.jpg)
And for the last action of today i needed to borrow some yellow from my wife's painting kit..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/228.jpg)
Ladies and gentlemen, meet Bob Etienne Ross ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/229.jpg)
And first layer done ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/230.jpg)
Again, almost there..
Updated things to do:
Backdoor latch and key
(T)moulding
painting the inside of the bezelwindow yellow for the 2e time
paint the upper and lower back in black
Attach the Alu serial sticker on the back
fix the glass to the bezel
cardboard inner bezel
Mount Speaker
Mount top lid
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Haha, you're a great guy Etienne, but you will -never- be a Bob Ross.
Bob was serenity itself.....calmly talking, whenever I caught him late night on some weird channel I felt relaxed within 20 seconds of listening to his voice.
You are totally the opposite my friend, 1000% energy that needs to be channeled somewhere ;D ;D ;D
Don't get me wrong both are totally OK to me :spaceace:
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Painted the yellow part for the second time, and glued the glass in place after that with the hot glue gun.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/231.jpg)
A little extra glue on the bottom of the glass will not hurt :o
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/232.jpg)
For the rest i did some detail work that nobody cares about ;D , but i will document it anyway..
Remember the salvaged parts from the TV?
Removed the serial / brand sticker from the back, and all the glue was on the plastic side so that left me with a sticker which was actually not a sticker anymore.
So lets take some double sided tape, and make this a "sticker" again :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/233.jpg)
On the double sided tape..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/234.jpg)
Cut it out....
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/235.jpg)
And then we have a nice sticker for future refference.. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/236.jpg)
Next up; the old power inlet..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/237.jpg)
And not to forget the back side of the tv, so that after a few years we can still tell what potmeter is what ;)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/238.jpg)
Updated things to do list:
Backdoor latch and key
painting the inside of the bezelwindow yellow for the 2e time
paint the upper and lower back in black
Attach the Alu serial sticker on the back
fix the glass to the bezel
(T)moulding
cardboard inner bezel
Mount Speaker
Mount top lid
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Yesterday i picked up a "Backup Plan" 8)
Its a bit smaller, but at least we can play pong if the other dies during Eurocade ;D
same label, only no AV input, and its 5,5" instead of 7"
But the price was ok..... 2€ :D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/youtube4.jpg) (http://youtu.be/Wlq9jskIoGQ)
Clickpic
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Mounted the speaker today, at first i wanted to mount it above the monitor in the part where the cardboard bezel wil come, but then i realised that when the top lid is installed, and there is glass in front of the monitor, the audio will be dimmed, so i hope that this position in front of the coinslot will be a solution for this.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/239.jpg)
Time to worry about the T moulding, so i decides to make a test piece..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/240.jpg)
Glued with the iron..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/241.jpg)
And after cutting with the tool described earlier...
Hmm its good that its a test piece! , damage to the vinyl... :-\
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/242.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/243.jpg)
Lets see how to prevent that from happening on the real deal..
some masking tape should do the trick.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/244.jpg)
Carefully removing the tape...
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/245.jpg)
Looks alot more promissing..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/246.jpg)
The instructions of the strip says to use sandpaper after cutting, i tried that, and the glue residue as seen in the pic above is almost totally gone, so i decided that this was enough practising, and continued with the cabinet..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/247.jpg)
And again the strip is glued into place with the iron.. :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/248.jpg)
The corner on the other side needs a little more attention, because the corner is a bit too tight, which gave a problem with cutting..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/249.jpg)
Anyway, masking tape ready, and time to trim the edges..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/250.jpg)
I did trim one side, and in the curve that i was talking about, during the cutting, a chip broke out >:(
ah well, now it has a more authentic look, with a little damage :D
More later..
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I hope that you had time today to
enjoy survive the very beautiful hot weather
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(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/youtube4.jpg) (http://youtu.be/Wlq9jskIoGQ)
Clickpic
I really love the first iMac look of that little Lenco !!
;D
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I hope that you had time today to enjoy survive the very beautiful hot weather
I needed to jump in the pool from time to time to cool down indeed ;D
So i survived ;)
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Corrected.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/youtube4.jpg) (http://youtu.be/Wlq9jskIoGQ)
Clickpic
I really love the Lenco look of the first iMac !!
;D
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Nope...the iMac was first....
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Time to do finish this..
Lets start with the cardboard bezel..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/251.jpg)
Right angle.. ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/252.jpg)
Taped both sides in place.. 8)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/253.jpg)
And after cleaning the glass and the monitor for the last time, i closed it up.
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/254.jpg)
And after mounting the toplid, everything is done ! (including me ;D)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/256.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/257.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/258.jpg)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/259.jpg)
I am Ready for Eurocade... ;)
Youtube slideshow video in production, so will post that link later.
Thanks all for your support ! :spaceace:
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Glad the built is over, this topic was getting too picture heavy. ;) :D
No, serious, it's a masterpiece and I hope that it will be in use at many Eurocade's still to come. This baby is not leaving us. :)
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WOW!!!!
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And as promissed, the slideshow video
http://youtu.be/YRWhe6EHFZk
Sit back, relax and enjoy the music and pictures.
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It's looking great!
Glad the built is over, this topic was getting too picture heavy.
There can never be too much pictures ;).
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Came out fantastic, I guess it is the only model in the world, congrats my friend. ;)
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I love it! And you make it look so easy. :)
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awesome cab etienne , great work and wip ! you really deserve
too bad i won't be at eurocade to try it :<
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too bad i won't be at eurocade to try it :<
Whaaaaatt ?? Go in the corner and shame yourself ! ;) ;D ;)
Seriously, too bad you cannot attend pascal!
Thanks again guys for your nice words and support !
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Congratulations Etienne!!! Looking great :spaceace: :spaceace:
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Great !!!
Gotta post it on KLOV !
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Great !!!
Gotta post it on KLOV !
Be my guest ;)
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I've been watching this thread since your very first idea.
I've got to say I thought it was a bit ambitious, but you have really surprised me, and I've been really impressed by the standard of workmanship
Well done!
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Done !
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2194479#post2194479
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Done !
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?p=2194479#post2194479
Thanks buddy ! :spaceace:
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amazing work, etienne, looking forward to trying it out at eurocade and throwing some "quarters" into the piggy bank!!!
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:shock: :shock: :shock: Amazing job !!!! :-* :-*
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Etienne... fantastic work. It's really for your son though. ;)
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<Insert 5 billions Space Aces here>!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I had a feeling that there was something wrong with the pong..
So i fixed it ! , the label looks much better in yellow then in green ::)
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/260.jpg)
Then i was looking at the inside and i realise that the money will go everywhere once dropped inside..
Last yeat that was a pain in the @ss so i decided to fix that also..
First some supports and a plank..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/261.jpg)
Then a visit at the local Ikea gave me a prefect coinbucket :P
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/262.jpg)
Now i can call this Finished !
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/263.jpg)
Come see, play and donate @ Eurocade ! ;D
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hehe, that coin bucket IS the finishing touch!!!
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Maybe I should bring my full size Pong, that would be awesome for pictures! 8)
Can't wait to see it for real in a couple of days!
Fantastic job on this! :)
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Thanks and that would be awesome Bruno !
Also because my collegue comes to make some pics
He is a semi professional photographer, and i invited him to make awesome pictures of this awesome event ;D
Check his work here:
http://mhl-fotografie.nl/gallery.html
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Wow great pics, esp. those of the deserted buildings !!!
One thing about the donation pot/piggy bank Pong:
As mentioned before we chose this year to do an "all inclusive" entry price of 20 Euro, instead of the 5 Euro plus voluntary donation....
So why is there still a "donation Pong" ?
Well, there are a good number of visitors that are not officially registered, like members of the music band that will rehearse across the street again and will probably play some games after the rehearsal, close friends from the Eurocade team etc. So, this is our main target audience this year for donations. As a paying registered visitor don't feel obliged to make a donation. However, some visitors already mentioned that 20 Euro is a crazy low price for a day like this incl. drinks and food and well....if you feel that way feel free to make a small donation. If we will have a positive result this year, we will save the money to invest it in next Eurocade 2013 !
So, we won't be "putting it under your nose" like last year ;D ;D
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Maybe I should bring my full size Pong, that would be awesome for pictures! 8)
:spaceace: :spaceace: idea ;)
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Okay, time to finish this thread with just a few words that i have to say.
Big thanks to everyone for your nice comments at Eurocade 2012.
It was amazing how many reactions and nice words i received for this build.
It was my pleasure to build this, and i can only say that i have done it with pleasure!
Only one time during dinner we had a vertical collapse, and by wiggling the chassis and some beats to the cabinet that was working again.
Beside that one failure, it worked flawless for 2 days straight, and i think it did its duty :D
Again; Thanks everyone !
If you just tuned in, here is the complete build: http://youtu.be/YRWhe6EHFZk as a slideshow with some music.
Take a drink, relax and enjoy !
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And I am happy that (as per my sons request) this wondeful little machine will be "sleeping over" at our home for a few months :)
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Do i smell a new Scr33n Scratch build ? ::)
Mmmmmmhh .... I don't know .... I'm thinking ... and the warm weather don't help me :evil:
Here we go :arrow:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=3916.0
:spaceace: :spaceace: :spaceace:
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And now i see why you need woodgrain ;D
Great choice Scr33n!
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The mini-Pong has just been delivered to Hilversum by the EADS (TM).
It is on a mission.......
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Great, is the vertical collapse fixed ?
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Nope...
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any change it will be for EC13 ?
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We have some hope that won't be necessary.......
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.... Have you guys something exciting in the sleeve??
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.... Have you guys something exciting in the sleeve??
Lots of them, but sadly you'll miss it all....
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.... Have you guys something exciting in the sleeve??
Lots of them, but sadly you'll miss it all....
Thanks for reminding me, totally forgot.......
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That is simply WONDERFULL!!! :)
I am planning to build a replica with a 10" CRT and use this as core console...
(http://videogamecritic.com/images/systems2/fb4_deluxe.jpg)
Can I ask you all data, sketches, fonts, and logos in order to save as much time as I can? :)
Really appreciated! :)
BR,
L.
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Sure ! You want us to build it for you too ?
::) :roll: ::) :roll:
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I can feel sarcasm...
Well... my question was legit.
If he still has sketches and logos it will save me time. Otherwise I will try to recreate them from scratch.
Usually, I am sharing stuff I have previously done, if asked. Therefore I am asking as well. Because not all people is sarcastic to newcomers, like you ;D
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besides the info in this thread, i only have these 2 vector files here:
pong control panel and coinslot.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/pongcp.pdf)
pong bezel.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/pongbezel.pdf)
you can open those with illustrator or something and use the words from there.
I created the word pong from scratch, dont know if there is a font for it.
The old atari logo is made with the font "busorama"
The first pages of the thread have some pictures with measurements from a actual pong machine and i just scaled them down.
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I can feel sarcasm...
Well... my question was legit.
If he still has sketches and logos it will save me time. Otherwise I will try to recreate them from scratch.
Usually, I am sharing stuff I have previously done, if asked. Therefore I am asking as well. Because not all people is sarcastic to newcomers, like you ;D
Well, first of all it is much appreciated that people first introduce themselves to this wonderful forum :)
Second, Etienne _has_ shared as much as you can dream of in this thread, you just need to read it.
Just MHO and don't take things too seriously, I'm just the general asshole here now and then, but in real life I'm......well I'll leave that to others to say ;D ;D ;D
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besides the info in this thread, i only have these 2 vector files here:
pong control panel and coinslot.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/pongcp.pdf)
pong bezel.pdf (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/minipong/pongbezel.pdf)
you can open those with illustrator or something and use the words from there.
I created the word pong from scratch, dont know if there is a font for it.
The old atari logo is made with the font "busorama"
The first pages of the thread have some pictures with measurements from a actual pong machine and i just scaled them down.
Thank you very much really appreciated!
As soon as I get the MDF I will start a thread here and in ArcadeItalia :)
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Well, first of all it is much appreciated that people first introduce themselves to this wonderful forum :)
You are perfectly right! /me bad!
Somehow I have felt that dragonlairfans and arcadeitalia as one big entity ;D kinda SSO (Single Sign On) :P
Second, Etienne _has_ shared as much as you can dream of in this thread, you just need to read it.
Just MHO and don't take things too seriously, I'm just the general asshole here now and then, but in real life I'm......well I'll leave that to others to say ;D ;D ;D
;D Back in time of BBS and then IRC my behaviour (asking w/o even a presentation post) would have costed me a BAN :D
Therefore I kinda provoked your sarcastic reaction ;D
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I'm just the general asshole here now and then, but in real life I'm......well I'll leave that to others to say ;D ;D ;D
..... A really nice guy. :)
By, the way, I love your new avatar, keeps me reminding of a great night!
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Double post.
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I know I'm waaaaaay late to this project, but I did a Pong of my own a few years back.
Based on the very first one that was at Andy Capp's bar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpjQJAdFxXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpjQJAdFxXo)
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Thats a cool one too !, very nice :spaceace:
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Well, first of all it is much appreciated that people first introduce themselves to this wonderful forum :)
You are perfectly right! /me bad!
Somehow I have felt that dragonlairfans and arcadeitalia as one big entity ;D kinda SSO (Single Sign On) :P
Second, Etienne _has_ shared as much as you can dream of in this thread, you just need to read it.
Just MHO and don't take things too seriously, I'm just the general asshole here now and then, but in real life I'm......well I'll leave that to others to say ;D ;D ;D
;D Back in time of BBS and then IRC my behaviour (asking w/o even a presentation post) would have costed me a BAN :D
Therefore I kinda provoked your sarcastic reaction ;D
;D ;D ;D Welcome here Calippo !
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I know I'm waaaaaay late to this project, but I did a Pong of my own a few years back.
Based on the very first one that was at Andy Capp's bar.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpjQJAdFxXo (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpjQJAdFxXo)
Awesome ! Does it have a tiny milk bottle inside for the coins ? ;D
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No milk bottle, but it does have a 'reset' button round the back :D