Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: rotheblog on February 08, 2012, 01:14:31 AM
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Good evening,
I have wanted a Zaccaria cabinet for awhile, and I might have the opportunity to pick one up - a Quasar.
I dropped Andre an email, and he was nice enough to email me back. He suggested a couple of guys here are the experts on Zaccs (Bela, PaulSwan, Etienne), and might be able to point me in the right direction.
The cabinet was converted (hideous) into a Ms. Pac-man. Almost as bad as that Pac-man Computer Space ;)
It needs a marquee and control panel. It also needs a boardset, but I am most concerned with the possibility of finding a cpanel at this point.
If any of you folks have time, please point me in the right direction.
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Post some pics of what state it's in.
I may have some parts - I won't know for sure until mid-April so you might like to ping me the first week of April. The wiring loom is very hard to construct for this game but it's not impossible.
Regards,
Paul.
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I have wanted a Zaccaria cabinet for awhile
Thats a good start ! ;D :spaceace:
like paul, drop some pics, and lets see what we can do to help
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The cpo was scanned and it is in the best hands by now. ;)
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Can someone describe the cpanel to me? Wood? Aluminum? Artwork aluminum on a metal base?
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Zacc's use plexi with the art backprinted.
that goes on top of a wooden CP.
I believe Nintendo's use the same technique
here some some pics of my old CK Control panel:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2126.0 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2126.0)
and i have done some succesfull plexi repro's :
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2958.0 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2958.0)
and some succesfull backmounted graphic repro's :
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2271.msg41228#msg41228 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2271.msg41228#msg41228)
here is page 7 of the plexi thread which shows the result of a complete CP:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2958.msg42181#msg42181 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2958.msg42181#msg42181)
The cpo was scanned and it is in the best hands by now. ;)
and yes, it is in the vector que ;)
Hope this helps 8)
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What about the other cabs in that warehouse? ;)
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By the way, there are at least 3 holes missing from that cp, maybe there is some kind of a cover on the original one, it worth a check. ;)
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It appears there is another positive to the game being fairly local....the owner found the plexi overlay!
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Sounds great, please send us some more pics from inside-outside if you take it. ;)
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@Etienne - Just got through the week and got to browse your threads. Amazingly thorough and detailed work. It takes a lot of effort doesn't it? Found the same thing when I did the Pengo CPO.
Excellent job.
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Thanks !
Yes, it takes quite a bit of effort to make it good, but thats part of the fun ;D
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@Belike - To answer your old note - The extra holes were filled in with bondo :(
I've been asking some questions and Bela was gracious enough to help me ask something I wouldn't have known otherwise.
There is a difference between the US Billiards and Zaccaria version of the boardset? Some sort of color inverter?
This is a photo of the two boards? I need the board on the right, what part of the board shown is the inverter?
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/PCBs/Quasar.jpg
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The board on the right i would say is the sound board not a colour inverter :)
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That's the sound board. I know of no difference in PCB between the US Billiards & native Zaccaria - they appear identical.
If you're cab has the original Philips KT-3 monitor no inverter is required, however, since the cab has been converted to another game the monitor may have been modified to accept non-inverted colour for it so you'd need to change the monitor back to it's original Zaccaria configuration (or they may have used an inverter for it instead).
If you're cab has a replacement monitor, it may or may not support inverted colour. If not, you'll need to make an inverter.
Did you post pictures of your cab? Take some close ups of the monitor and interior wiring/power supply.
Paul.
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Here is a Google Plus album of the Quasar (https://plus.google.com/photos/113847561086671078917/albums/5736944277497306465), showing some photos from the inside of the cabinet. There has definitely been some hacking...
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That's not that bad - the power supply and monitor wiring is in tact and that's the original KT-3 monitor. Looks like you're missing the whole of the control panel wiring (expected, as it's incompatible with mostly everything). You'll also be able to hide the extra hole in the CP wood under an original plexi CPO if you can find one.
Don't see any indication of an inverter so the monitor input PCB has likely been restrapped for none-inverted colour. It's straight forward to put it back.
There's hope for that to be restored back to Quasar :)
Paul.
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I am fortunate that I have the overlay.
I added a photo of that, and the full cab, to the album.
So....what changes do I need to make on the....chassis?
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You'll have to wait until sometime after June 16th for an answer on that one - both my cab, monitor spares and monitor paperwork are on a container ship heading over to the US at the moment.
Regards,
Paul.
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Paul - you get back to the US ok?
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Yeah, oll. Went back to work for the afternoon and by the end of it my speech was slurred and I was getting some funny looks. Slept for 11 hours last night and woke up ready to sleep another 11 :)
Scrambling this morning to get some paperwork sorted out. Hopefully sorted now.
Paul.
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The cpo was scanned and it is in the best hands by now. ;)
and yes, it is in the vector que ;)
Hope this helps 8)
Made some progress on this also today...
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Very cool on the artwork progress.
I got a notification on the thread - so probably a good time to update it...
With the help of some of the awesome UK collectors, and Ed Lutz here locally - I am now fortunately to have two full Quasar boardsets with sound boards. So hopefully, I should have some luck there.
I also have two marquees. I bought one off eBay for what I thought was a deal. Turns out, the seller deliberately hid that the front was scratched to hell, which you couldn't see in the photos. But fortunately Thorsten came along with his NOS ones, and I bought one off of him.
So - all that should be left is the harness. To refresh that question - can anyone help me there with some photos as an initial compass? I know that is an ask on someone's time, understand if it isn't possible...
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I can make photos of the harness in my Quasar.
Imthink it's completely as produced;)
Where I have to focus on?
Digi
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Unfortunately mine has a jamma harness and a Hantarex MTC 9300 chassis, so it wouldn't help too much. :-\
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I can get you pictures from a factory cab after Xmas.
Regards,
Paul.
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maybe we could make a quasar picture site, something like a collage ;D
it would be interesting to see the differences.
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Can someone take some good photos showing the board mountings? Take a couple showing the connectors, any details on the mounting components themselves, details on the wiring and a few showing everything?
I don't believe my harness is hacked too bad, looks like they tried to use the existing.
I've added a two new photos to the end of the original album linked in the first post in this thread, showing behind the cpanel and then the harness pulled out of the track.
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This is not mine, but you can see something.
(http://n1.vatera.hu/photos/92/c1/6446_2_big.jpg)
I can take some more from mine soon. ;)
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Hey Bela, does yours has the PCB cage? and if so, i see stickers that i dont have in my collection...
scanning time ;D ;)
Oh, and Jeff, i got repro stickers for zaccs, and i am doing a run ATM... ;)
http://forums.arcade-museum.com/showthread.php?t=259272
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These are some pictures from the factory one I have - note the diodes on the control panel leaf switches:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2828.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2828.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2829.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2829.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2830.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2830.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2831.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2831.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2832.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2832.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2834.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2834.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2835.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2835.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2836.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2836.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2837.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2837.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2838.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2838.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2839.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2839.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2840.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2840.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2841.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2841.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2842.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2842.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2843.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2843.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2844.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2844.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2845.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2845.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2847.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2847.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2848.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2848.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2849.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2849.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2850.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2850.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2851.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2851.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2852.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2852.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2853.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2853.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2854.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2854.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2855.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestorationMC/FR/SAM_2855.JPG)
These are from the one I restored that illustrates how I worked around the odd connectors:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2862.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2862.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2865.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2865.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2866.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2866.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2867.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2867.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2868.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2868.JPG)
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2869.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/QuasarRestoration/FR/SAM_2869.JPG)
This one is from Dambusters, a Quasar conversion, to illustrate the KT-3 video input conversion to none-inverted video that you might need to undo:
http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/DambustersRestoration/FR/SAM_2861.JPG (http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/DambustersRestoration/FR/SAM_2861.JPG)
If you need any further pictures or information, just ask :) The manual is online and has the wiring schematic in it.
Regards,
Paul.
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Deleted the display links, too picture heavy ;)
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Well, it was deliberate to not inline the pictures and leave them full resolution so he can see any exact details he might need to know :)
Paul.
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Well...
As luck would have it, I picked up a second Quasar from an individual in Hagerstown (not Lloyd). The game is complete, used to work but recently quit. Game has been home owned since 1993.
So, now I have 2 Quasars, I'll be selling the original I had that needs some re-assembly.
If anyone in the US is interested in the original, drop me a line.
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Cool! Post some pics of your new one, then :)
Paul.
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I'm waiting for a QUASAR for a year, I hope to have the opportunity to pick up it soon.
I can see by the pictures plexi is broken. Has soneone one for spare?
regards,
Marco
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It is glass not plexi and very hard to find.
If there is only that damage on that corner, you should repair it with some glue. :)
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:(
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Silly question.
How do I best remove the marquee?
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Heheh that's a lot of fun.
1) Between the back and the top of the cab is slanted access panel held in by four carriage bolts with wing nuts on the other side.
2) Slide your hand up until you feel the bolts - the trick here is to avoid creasing the cardboard surround trying to get at the two top ones.
3) With all four bolts undone, the panel pops out and provides access to the marque light and marque bolts.
4) Undo the marque bolts and the top and bottom plates come off allowing the marque to be removed.
(http://www.zzzaccaria.com/images/Projects/MrDoRestoration/SAM_2038w.JPG)
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I started down that path...and thought - this can't be right.
Oop. Glad to be informed, and to be mindful of the cardboard...
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Wow. That was a hoot. About 2 hours of my life gone - when I dropped the washer in the game, couldn't find it, and spent over an hour looking for it....
But I did learn some cool things about the cabinet as I started to dismantle it, including the access to the chassis. Majorly cool.
So, that said. Tested my 3 boardsets once I got settled. Bummer, none of them work. The final one I tested was close, could hear everything in the background, but have a nice Quasar-y garbage on the screen.
At least I got the game cleaned on the outside, and my NOS marquee from Thorsten installed. So the game is looking pretty nice.
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I have a bunch of spare Quasar boards but IIRC they were all dead aside from one that's in a cab. Since then I have probably acquired some more untested. I have family visiting for a week, but after then I can dig them all out to see if I can get one going for your cab.
If the one you have that has bad graphics is otherwise working, sounds like it might be the one to try and get fully working. If they're completely dead then they often need a Fluke and no native 2650 pod exists only an adaptor for the Z80 pod (that I don't have) making repair awkward and slow :|
Paul.
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I know Etienne intended it well, but it's not very handy to have pictures in this thread that do not even fit my 27" iMac screen.....I think there was a reason for Jeff not to post them as images in the thread......
Even on my 60Mb connection it takes long to fully open this thread.....might be wise to reverse your well intended help Etienne..... ;D ;D
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Yep :lol: , but i can't...
the edit button dissapeared ;D
Brunoooooooo :P :P (please edit my earlier post ::) )
EDIT:
post adjusted ;)
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Thanks Paul for the note. Do what is appropriate, I certainly would like to play it, but I am a patient guy...
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as mentioned moths ago, here are some pics of my Quasar, seems to be as manufactured.
(there where ten mice in my garage;-) so it was time to bring it in my office.
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1959_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1960_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1961_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1962_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1963_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1964_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1965_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1966_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1967_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1968_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1969_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1970_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1971_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1972_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1973_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1974_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1975_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1976_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1977_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1978_small.jpg)
(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1979_small.jpg)
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(http://proe-wildfire.de/Zac/Machines/Quasar/small/IMG_1973_small.jpg)
That chassis setup is really reminding me of philips tv's BITD :D
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Yeah, that is very nice and fully original. :D
Thanks for the pics, it is always nice to see some Zaccs online. :D
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That's 'cause it is a Philips TV chassis :)
Nice clean example.
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That explanes alot :)
Phillips used that setup with the hole in the chassis for the neckboard alot, at least that is what i remember from old philips tv's
(http://hpbimg.marcelstvmuseum.com/philips%2026c790%20binnenkant%2001.jpg)