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General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 06:49:18 PM

Title: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 06:49:18 PM
I will not post my story before Bruno and Chris has posted theirs, as they has the most interesting trip of all!!! :spaceace:

But i will post this.... who would have thought this would happen after 20 years on a boat with no heat???!!!
You're right!, the game doesn't work! - though, a swap with a working PCB and it´s there...!!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mclogo.jpg) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_G_2sZD0v0&feature=plcp&context=C3af1b3fUDOEgsToPDskKFUm3w3asM4tQ9x-2OiS0K)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: gyruss on February 06, 2012, 06:59:31 PM
wow, and the sides also look very good. Congratulations, now you got two.  :o  ;D
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 06, 2012, 07:09:46 PM
Uh ? The preview pic shows it working but the video not ?

That sound near the PS doesn't sound right ! It also doesn't look like an original Atari Power Brick ?
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 07:29:12 PM
Uh ? The preview pic shows it working but the video not ?

That sound near the PS doesn't sound right ! It also doesn't look like an original Atari Power Brick ?

Hehe, i know, it was on purpose  ;D
There´s definitely something wrong with the PS!, shouldent make that sound! - and i have never seen a power brick like that, looks like an update of the one in my Centipede....:

Heres the one in the MC:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mcps.jpg)

And here´s a pic of the ARII PCB.... it´s fricking new!!!!!!
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/ar2pcb.jpg)

Sorry for the shitty quality, but i forgot my camera in DK when i moved here  >:( >:( >:(
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: TimePilot on February 06, 2012, 07:41:43 PM
congrats on this Muerto! :spaceace:

i hope i will find a mc upright sometime for my collection.
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: gyruss on February 06, 2012, 07:42:44 PM
Lol, i didn't watch the video a thought it was working! Still a great catch, so what are you going to do with your old one?  ;D ;)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
hahaha, you where not the only one!!!
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Etienne MacGyver on February 06, 2012, 08:00:08 PM
Lol, i didn't watch the video a thought it was working! Still a great catch, so what are you going to do with your old one?  ;D ;)

I was about to say that..
i thought you already had a very limited edition of MC..
The only with handpainted sidearts  ;D

Anyway, congrats on your catch !
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 08:05:09 PM
Actually, i don´t know yet..
I think ill keep it for now, it´s all ways nice with a spare one  ;)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Superully on February 06, 2012, 08:37:13 PM
eh, i don't get it somehow. is it working or not?
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 08:48:29 PM
It´s all in the video, but it´s not working.
Though, there´s light in diode on the main PCB, and there´s neck glow..... but the game dosent start.
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Belike on February 06, 2012, 08:49:38 PM
Hehehe, you got me, I also thought it is working. ;D
Actually, i don´t know yet..
I think ill keep it for now, it´s all ways nice with a spare one  ;)
That is the point, a spare cab is always nice from a classic like Missile Command. ;)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Superully on February 06, 2012, 09:16:22 PM
have you tried the brightness pot?
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 06, 2012, 09:29:16 PM
Actually no, where's that located? - i will give it a go tomorrow....
Hehe, it could actually be pretty cool if it worked!
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Q*ris on February 06, 2012, 09:49:14 PM
It was so cool to see you again, buddy!
You've been super helpful and I still owe you for the bacon and eggs sandwiches  :P

Damn that Missile Command is such a great catch.
The insides from most of the games from that bulk buys are really super clean... but more on that very soon  ;) ;)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 06, 2012, 09:52:23 PM
Did you try to credit it ?

I'd be very careful. If that sound is coming from the Power Brick there maybe a bad Big Blue or even a bad diode bridge, which could both kill your main PCB.

I'm surprised it is not working. Come'on it's an Atari !  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Superully on February 06, 2012, 09:52:54 PM
Actually no, where's that located? - i will give it a go tomorrow....
Hehe, it could actually be pretty cool if it worked!

depends what monitor is in there. either on the left or the right of the chassis, often in combination with the focus pot!
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 07, 2012, 10:14:00 AM
Just tried to ajust the pods + coin up it without any luck...
I really wish i had a working MC PCB, because i really think it would work...
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 07, 2012, 10:24:54 AM
Check the voltages first my friend !!!
Measure DC for the 5Volt but also AC because I wouldnt be surprised if there would still be an AC component in the 5v.......
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 09, 2012, 09:27:05 AM
Upon Andrés call, i bought this, as my other (and much cheaper) mulitmeter is in Denmark.
(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/da8wj1f25lx8io7/Photo%2009-02-2012%2008%2021%2002.jpg)

(https://dl.dropbox.com/0/view/cmoxs3d7n9c68c8/Photo%2009-02-2012%2008%2022%2003.jpg)

I hope it wil do the trick...
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 09, 2012, 10:45:20 AM
Just measured the MC PCB and ARII PCB.... :o  Here´s the results:

MC PCB:
+5V = +3.09V
+12V = -0.71V !!!!!!!!!
-5V = -5.29V  OK

ARII PCB
-5V = -5.17V OK
+10.3V = +8.77V !!
-22V = -15.06V !!!
+22V = +15.02V !!!
+12V = -0.57V !!!!!!!!!!!!!
+36VAC = +11.48VAC !!!!!!!!!!!!!

NO WONDER THE GAME DOSEN'T RUN!!  :P :P :P :P

Any suggestion what causes this?? New big blue?? New PS??
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 09, 2012, 11:07:44 AM
It also doesn't look like an original Atari Power Brick ?

Just dloaded the manual, and was somewhat surpriced to see that it is actually an original Atari Power Supply!
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 09, 2012, 05:47:59 PM
Started measuring the whole cab, but ran into problems.... here´s what i have so far:

(http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4093732/mcchart.png)
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Superully on February 09, 2012, 06:09:23 PM
with my limited knowledge i can tell you tha the ariiis are often the cause of problems, don't know if you have a spare one you could try ...
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 09, 2012, 06:57:40 PM
Let's start with the beginning. Are you sure you measured that AC output correctly ?

We'll have to know the output of the power brick is OK before we can blaim the AR-2.

Something you SHOULD check: The edge connector and the PCB "fingers" where it sits. The difference between the output of the +5V on the AR-2 and what you measure on the PCB is HUGE !!!

See if the connector has a TIGHT grip on the edge of the PCB, see if  there is any burning or corrosion....


As you know there is a regulation circuit that will try to up the +5V output so be careful....

Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 09, 2012, 07:05:10 PM
The manual is pretty useless for this by the way, get (part of) the schematics:

http://arcarc.xmission.com/PDF_Arcade_Atari_Kee/Missile_Command/Missile_Command_DP-147-2nd-01A.pdf

Start measuring across J9 pin 4 and 5 on the AR-2 board. You should have 36 VAC there. If not, remove the connector and measure again on the connector of course).

Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: Muerto on February 09, 2012, 07:39:42 PM
All the measurements is done on the PCB´s themselves (there´s those small loopholes coming out of the PCBs)
The edge connector is clean, and so are the pcb it self...

To be sure of the measurements i did them 3 times!
Title: Re: [Road Trip] Missile Command Bulk buy
Post by: level42 on February 09, 2012, 07:58:21 PM
That AC voltage is wayyyyy too far off to get anything right but it seems some voltages are OK.
Rebuild the AR2 and I bet your game will work, had the same with my MC cabaret...