Dragon's Lair Fans - Arcade Lifestyle
General Chat => Arcade Lifestyle => Topic started by: solidsnake on July 09, 2011, 06:21:35 PM
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Hello all
After playing around with mame on pc,i already know it didnt give me the feeling as the old arcade.
So what im gona do build a mame cabinet or go for a original cab.
After looking around a lot,i finaly found a cabinet that i realy wanted to have Crazy Kong.
I spent a fortune on that game when i was young :lol:
When i got home me friends were already waiting to come play ;D
back in the 80' we also played the games together.
So we spent a few hours playing,and i can tel you,was a long time ago we had so much fun.
6 adult talking about the good old days,and fighting who's next :D
This is my first cabinet,and after yesterday im sure i want more.
But now i need to focus on my CK cab,and try to fix it to his original state.
First some pics
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/7cbf2837.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/1.jpg)
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/2.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/3.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/5.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/6.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/8.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/9.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/10.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/11.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/12.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/13.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/SAM_0643.jpg)
Control panel seems to be oke some light burns in the plastic, grafic is 100% .
Marque also is 100%.
Bezel,were did it go,so i need to find me a new one,if there are any.
joystick,as seen on the foto above,i dont think this is the original one,it doesnt go smooth either.
Buttons seem to work wel and seem to be original.
As seen on foto above there is a new power board,i also took the original one.must look wat is wrong with it
previous owner said it became hot,but working,somthing with the fan maybe.
PCB looks fine to me,i cleant it,have taken the chips out to clean the feet.
Coin door,the previous owner gave me the zaccaria one but havent got a clue were it is now.
The thing were you put in your coins,is from williams now,so need to find a new one.
Monitor,starts pretty quick,looks fine 2 but then again i dont know much about these things.
Side art is stil desent,some marks but he it 30 years old.
So lots of stuf to look up and see if i get some parts.
But first i wana fix the color problems i get in game.
i already cleant the pcb.
as seen in pictures above,mario is green,the monky is purpel most of the time.
just lots of things that dont look how they must.
i already tryd degaus,that solved some grafic problems,but not all
strange thing is wen i tryd it before transport to home mario was the right color
so is this a monitor or pcb problem
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OMG ! a FITTER cabinet !
I am sure Bela is interested in this... I have a spare empty "spacestation" cab if you want to exchange it..
and i know that bela has a spare crazy kong bezel...
maybe you guys can work something out..
a zaccaria coin insert is present here too since i slaughtered the spacestation (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2309.0) out ;D
also i got a spare powersupply here and lots of other original parts...
Then i really think you need a repro sticker (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2454.0) ;)
The colors on the monitor look like the green is missing..
As for the control panel, i did a vector of the panel (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2271.0) which i still need to print, so i can print it double if your are interested..
The stick is not the original, they replaced it with a suzo (STC) like most of the zacc sticks where replaced with..
the bezel is an original zaccaria starsplash one.
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and i know that bela has a spare crazy kong bezel...
maybe you guys can work something out..
Unfortunately I don't have that spare bezel, I didn't buy it from Thorsten since you sent me yours. :-\
Thorsten has 4-5 spare CK. bezel and I guess he will come to Eurocade, so if you want one you can arrange with him.
By the way you have a nice cab there with that Fitter sideart. ;)
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OMG ! a FITTER cabinet !
I am sure Bela is interested in this... I have a spare empty "spacestation" cab if you want to exchange it..
i also im looking for the original side art for ck,if i can get that one,then i have no problem to switch cabs.
a zaccaria coin insert is present here too since i slaughtered the spacestation out
im verry intrested in that one ;)
also i got a spare powersupply here and lots of other original parts...
i got the original power supply too,need 2 check it,so i keep in mind that you also got one.
Then i really think you need a repro sticker
ay im intrested in that one too,was already reading the topic about that ;D
As for the control panel, i did a vector of the panel which i still need to print, so i can print it double if your are interested..
yea if that is possible i am verry intrested always handy to have a spare one i think.
The stick is not the original, they replaced it with a suzo (STC) like most of the zacc sticks where replaced with..
the bezel is an original zaccaria starsplash one.
thnx for that info
Can you stil buy those sticks new ??
Been looking around a bit for joysticks,but there a lot of diffrent ones.
With leafswitches or micro switch,my joystick is mounted under the wood of the control panel,
So basicly wich stick looks most as the original one.
Unfortunately I don't have that spare bezel, I didn't buy it from Thorsten since you sent me yours.
Thorsten has 4-5 spare CK. bezel and I guess he will come to Eurocade, so if you want one you can arrange with him.
That woud be awsome
i was already looking at the eurocade event,but im on holiday then :'(
is thorsten a forum member or
By the way you have a nice cab there with that Fitter sideart.
maybe we can work somthing out in the future ;)
The colors on the monitor look like the green is missing..
hmm im going for some food first,then i wil make some pictures from diffrent lvl's
maybe its better 2 see then.
and thnx for the respons so far realy helpful
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I am planning to make repro sidearts, but my sources are not the best out there..
I have searched everywhere for better pics of it, but without succes.
But eventually i will have a vector of it, i just need time, and the vector que (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2635.0) is not empty yet ;)
Anyway, i have this picture which i have already enhanced a bit, so i need to scan my side for the layout and start with it:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/vectoring/sideart/cksideart.jpg)
for color i can still use this as a reference:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/vectoring/sideart/left.jpg)
This is the original joystick, but its not a nice stick for play, it feels like a "mini pin" in your hand...
anyway, i left it there for originality, not for comfortability :D
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2126.msg24917#msg24917 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2126.msg24917#msg24917)
for the repro sticker you should make an official order on that threat though ;)
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The e-mail adress of Thorsten was sent you by P.M. :-\
Btw., I have a bended marquee for Fitter, but it fits for the bigger cabinet type, so in this case I'm looking for a cabinet for my marquee. ;D
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-K0rw1_eTW_k/TPZSvlyU78I/AAAAAAAADDs/6ZKFgxiORts/s800/Fitter%252520marquee%252520001.jpg)
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Goodluck on that one bela, i never seen a fitter full upright.....
the mini passes from time to time, but never the big one.. :-\
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I have searched everywhere for better pics of it, but without succes.
But eventually i will have a vector of it, i just need time
right i was also looking for pics for the sides but coudnt find any :'(
Hope you can make somthing out of those pics that woud be totaly awesome :o
This is the original joystick, but its not a nice stick for play, it feels like a "mini pin" in your hand...
anyway, i left it there for originality, not for comfortability
ay if i had the original then i also didnt want to replace it.
But the one thats in there now isnt original and it doesnt go smooth.
So that needs replacement
gona look on that german website if they got some 4 way sticks
for the repro sticker you should make an official order on that threat though
wil do ;)
The e-mail adress of Thorsten was sent you by P.M.
thnx for that one,send him a e-mail so fingers crost
Btw., I have a bended marquee for Fitter, but it fits for the bigger cabinet type, so in this case I'm looking for a cabinet for my marquee
yea i was already looking that you had diffrent cabs,nice collection you got there.
now first some pics from game field,i think some colors are wrong,and just wana know
if it the pcb or monitor.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/1.jpg)
this seems to look good
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/2.jpg)
ape is pink
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/3.jpg[)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/4.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/5.jpg)
mario green ,monkey has the right color now,girl on top is pink
there is green in the barrels
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/7.jpg)
monkey after first lvl seems to be good the ones for the other lvl's are pink
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/10.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/8.jpg)
evrything seems a little pink
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/9.jpg)
same here
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/11.jpg)
so big question is it me monitor or a bad pcb
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Where are you located in NL ? If not too far i can stop by with my working board and see if its the monitor.
from what i see is that you miss green, strange though that mario is green... that makes me doubt..
how are the voltages ? especially the 5Volt line ?
If its the board, i know a guy who is a master in pcb repairs, i only dont know if he got time / is in the mood to fix it for you..
My two spare boards are still waiting here to visit him one day :D
but you can always ask ;)
Hope you can make somthing out of those pics that woud be totaly awesome :o
Oh yes, i can, the question is when ;D
soon i will start scanning the cab for measurements and layout, stay tuned ;)
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im living in nijmegen
how are the voltages ? especially the 5Volt line ?
i wil check that tomorow,sinds i dont got a meter here right now.
must also say that wen i played the game by previous owner,mario had the right collors.
but im first gona look at the voltage then tomorow.
to make sure they are right.
must also say beside the colors the game runs great.
thnx for the info again :)
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Oh yes, i can, the question is when
soon i will start scanning the cab for measurements and layout, stay tuned
i stay tuned ;)
So little break from work,and i checkt the +5 volt line.
on the power suply its 4,78 volt
on the board it is 4,68 volt
there is a buton to higher and lower the voltage for the +5volt line on the powersuply.
Must i turn that higher so i get exactly +5 volt
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that could solve alot of problems ;)
sometimes it helps too to clean the edge connector so the resistance is less there
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oke i got +5,1 volt on the powersuply now and +5volt on pcb.
problem is stil there :'(
took the pcb out,to inspect it but cant see any strange things.
Only thing i can see on the pcb,is that those brown round thing ,dont know there name.
have white spots on them,in my first post there is a pic of the pcb were you can see it.
is that normal
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i think you are refering to ceramic capacitors, i also dont know if that coloring is a problem
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so big question is it me monitor or a bad pcb
I shouldn't blame the monitor for the color problem.
A monitor color issue (missing or malfunctioning basic color) will affect all the colors on screen while I see a good white and white uses red, green and blue.
I'd rather investigate the video output stage of the pcb, specially the color proms.
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I shouldn't blame the monitor for the color problem.
A monitor color issue (missing or malfunctioning basic color) will affect all the colors on screen while I see a good white and white uses red, green and blue.
oke thnx for clearing that one out then. ;)
i was just looking at mikesarcade.com at the pinouts for crazy kong.
so i just wanted to look if they the same as my board.
but i mis some wires i think not sure do.
http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=CrazyKong.txt (http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/spies.cgi?action=url&type=pinout&page=CrazyKong.txt)
on component side 8 and solder side j, it says gnd
but there no wires on there on my board.
can you look on your cab Etienne if you got ground wires on those pins,then i know for sure ;)
I'd rather investigate the video output stage of the pcb, specially the color proms.
gona check that part,after i know if i need the ground wire.
thnx for the input ;)
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I think its internally connected to the ground on the PCB
i dont have the cab in my house here, so to really verify that, i need to visit my mother...
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i dont have the cab in my house here, so to really verify that, i need to visit my mother
i wait till you check your board for the wires, im gona start to pull out the control panel to clean things up.
Wooooot just recieved a e mail from thorsten,that he can help me out with the bezel ;D
he sending some pics tomorrow :)
thnx again Belike for the e mail adres ;)
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Wooooot just recieved a e mail from thorsten,that he can help me out with the bezel ;D
he sending some pics tomorrow :)
You can check them here. ;)
http://www.thludwig.de/arcade/galerie/index.php?gallery=Zaccaria-Bezels
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I think its internally connected to the ground on the PCB
i dont have the cab in my house here, so to really verify that, i need to visit my mother...
I did have my two spare boards in my house, and also the converter connector that i have received with the board from Andre,
so i took out the board and checked my theory, and my thoughts where right:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/tech/ckedge1.jpg)
pin 8 does not have a wire connected at the connector as you can see, and on the board the trace goes to a connectionpoint that goes through the board to the other side..
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/tech/ckedge2.jpg)
folowing the trace from that connection you see that it goes to points A, B, C, D, and H, which are all ground
The solderside of pin 8 is H and is connected to ground as you can see.
the pinout in the link does not mention "G" and "I", they skipped them, so in fact in the point H = J in the pinout
EDIT:
to be more clear, i adjusted the picture with the letters from the pinout :
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/tech/ckedge3.jpg)
Hope that clears things up ;)
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Hope that clears things up
yep that cleard things up
thnx for checking it for me etienne ;)
I'd rather investigate the video output stage of the pcb, specially the color proms
oke i tryd to search google about the output stage of the pcb,but i think that goes beyond my knowledge. ???
also the proms.
Now i tryd to search if there some pcb for sale,theres one on ebay 50 euro,but not know if it works.
and i found this site http://www.andysarcade.net/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1722 (http://www.andysarcade.net/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1722)
it looks like a original board,i dont know what the value of those boards is,so is that a good price or.
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Now i tryd to search if there some pcb for sale,theres one on ebay 50 euro,but not know if it works.
and i found this site http://www.andysarcade.net/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1722 (http://www.andysarcade.net/store/index.php?act=viewProd&productId=1722)
it looks like a original board,i dont know what the value of those boards is,so is that a good price or.
CK pcb is not rare and very often can be found on ebay, as you have already seen.
The definition of 'good price' is really hard to be written, what I consider too expensive can be a fair price for another guy.
My suggestion is to apply following law.
ARCADE COLLECTOR PCB PURCHASE LAW
There's an inverse proportionality between the price you would pay for a PCB and the time you would spend to find it.
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ARCADE COLLECTOR PCB PURCHASE LAW
There's an inverse proportionality between the price you would pay for a PCB and the time you would spend to find it.
yea that makes sense.
update about the bezel
After some e-mails with thorsten,and a verry nice price for the bezel,its sold.
sending it to me,is risky i think,sinds its glass
or have ppl done it before.
otherwise i need to make a 600 km drive..
And maybe i can get a new CK pcb ;D
Think im gona order this joystick http://www.arcadewinkel.nl/controle-onderdelen/joysticks-en-accessoires/4-8-way-joysticks/competition-joystick-zwart.html# (http://www.arcadewinkel.nl/controle-onderdelen/joysticks-en-accessoires/4-8-way-joysticks/competition-joystick-zwart.html#)
So basicly i have the main parts,stil need some smal stuf ,but that wil come over time.
So verry soon its time 2 break the cab down,and build it up again
Also my cab is standing in my livingroom,if it dark the front painting looks nice,but wen the sun shines on it,it looks terrible
so basicly im after the color code so i can paint it again,i search google but cant find any.
If i cant find the code,then i just need to take me control panel to the paint shop,and hope they can make somthing out of that.
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Did you get my PM / email ?
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Yes,i got a email from you.
wil try to ask him this weekend ;)
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Great, I hope this guy can help you out..
Oh yes, i can, the question is when
soon i will start scanning the cab for measurements and layout, stay tuned
i stay tuned ;)
Click here... (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2779.msg36162#msg36162) ;)
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Is the marquee from glas or plexi ?
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Is the marquee from glas or plexi ?
its from plexi
thorsten stil has one marque i can buy dont know its glas or plexi
did the original cabs had glas then???
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Is the marquee from glas or plexi ?
its from plexi
thorsten stil has one marque i can buy dont know its glas or plexi
did the original cabs had glas then???
It had 2 versions, the bigger cabs had bended plexi and the smallers (like yours) had flat glass.
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It had 2 versions, the bigger cabs had bended plexi and the smallers (like yours) had flat glass
oke thnx for that info ;)
need 2 send thorsten a new mail then ;D
i said to him that i already had marque.
maybe his one is from glass
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mine is plexi too...
Is yours glass Robin ?
Maybe the starsplash marquees where glass, and ck only plexi...
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update about the bezel
After some e-mails with thorsten,and a verry nice price for the bezel,its sold.
sending it to me,is risky i think,sinds its glass
or have ppl done it before.
otherwise i need to make a 600 km drive..
You need the official bezel transport case tm. ;D
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2360.msg30621#msg30621 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2360.msg30621#msg30621)
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I have a glass version with scratch and a nice one from plexi
Only think i need is a good control panel without holes :roll:
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You need the official bezel transport case tm. ;D
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2360.msg30621#msg30621 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2360.msg30621#msg30621)
I'll bring it to Eurocade. ;D
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I have a glass version with scratch and a nice one from plexi
Only think i need is a good control panel without holes :roll:
I did make a vector of that, and i do need to have that print still, and also solidsnake is interested in a repro, so if i print 2, i might as well print 3 if you want.., that cuts the printers startup costs in 3 instead of 2 ;)
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Just got a e-mail from thorsten and his marque is from glas ;D
So probly next week im gona make the drive to him,to pick the bezel and marque up
Wil be a long drive do.
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Wil be a long drive do.
puh, a loooooong drive for those pieces. but i know thorsten in person and i'm not 100% sure whether his packing job would be as excellent as etienne's custom-made bezel case. nevertheless, as far as i know thorsten still has a few CK bezels left, so if i were you i'd ask him to pack it up as nicely as possible and send it over! if it broke, i'd go the car route ...
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does he have another CK glass marquee ?
if its not too much he is asking, you can bring one for me if you want, mine is plexi...
(http://media.strategywiki.org/images/thumb/7/71/Crazy_Kong_marquee.png/300px-Crazy_Kong_marquee.png)
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does he have another CK glass marquee ?
not sure in his e-mail he said i might have a ck marque
he is sending me his phone number,so i can contact him next week,i wil ask if he got another one.
if its not too much he is asking, you can bring one for me if you want, mine is plexi...
If he got a second one,sure i can take one for you then.
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And today it was me last day of vacation,so time to hit the road to thorsten.
Was planing to make some pics but me battery was dead :'(
and i got a grand tour from thorsten,damn he got a lot of stuff :o and a verry nice colection of perfect bezels.
And i almost came home with another cab ;D
So after a 8 hour trip im back home,and eat to much underway,damn i love the german food ;D,i needed to drive meself otherwise i probly was drunk too lol,cos i love there beer also ;D
wel time for some pics wat did i bring home.
first the bezel
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0932.jpg)
it is perfect,looks like it just came from the shop ;D
But wen he was showing me his stuf,i saw a box with zaccaria coin doors.
and sinds my coindoor had a williams loggo and didnt had the original keys.
i had to take one ;D
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0936.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0938.jpg)
Also in verry good shape and it also has the zaccaria sticker on it and the original zaccaria keys. :)
And i took the marquee,need some work on that one,if its possible to fix that.
there a lot of little holes in the artwork.
need to figer out how i can fix that
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0945.jpg)
And i did ask him if he got a second one etienne but he didnt have one :(
you can see the litle holes here.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0946.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0948.jpg)
must say im very happy that i made the trip,some nice pieces thnx to thorsten.
and thnx to belike for sending me the e-mail
now most of the stuff that i needed i got ,stil need some smal things but dont think they hard to get.
so back to me pcb,in me vacation i spent a lot of time reading about electric and how to use a multimeter,cos i dont know much about it,but never to old to learn new stuf.
and i like to puzzle ;D
i already can buy a CK pcb so i got time enough,to look at this one :)
i stil got a lot to learn so it wil go slow
im checking continuity all acros the board now,but i get lost fast lol.
Sinds the brown ceramic capacitor on my board had those light brown spots on them i wanted to check them.
im not sure if you can measure them wen they in the board,i think i read somewere you cant.
but i just tryd,and i got me multimeter set on continuity,en checking those things.
now i get a reading on al ceramic capacitors exept for one
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0944.jpg)
i dont get a reading on the number 8 ceramic capacitor.
as i said maybe i did it wrong but stil strange that on only 1 i dont get a reading
can that be the problem ???
first i have to ly down for an hour so the german food can setle down a bit ;D
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You just made my and belike's day !
THANK YOU !!!!
You may wonder "what the hell he is talking about ??? "
i will tell you , this is exactly what i needed to make a repro of:
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_0938.jpg)
Its a nice straight shot, with enough resolution to use as a refference when i will repro this !
so again THANKS!
oh before i forget.., nice marquee, bezelglass and coindoor ! ;D
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You just made my and belike's day !
THANK YOU !!!!
your welcome ;D
Its a nice straight shot, with enough resolution to use as a refference when i will repro this !
i just made a quick shot of it i can try to make a sharper one tom if you want
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2 red stickers for me please ;D
The look cool !
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8-hour roundtrip for a bezel, a marquee and a coin door - that's what i call dedication!!!
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You just made my and belike's day !
THANK YOU !!!!
so again THANKS!
oh before i forget.., nice marquee, bezelglass and coindoor ! ;D
+1, I'm glad, that I could help. ;)
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Thinking about the pic you mentioned,
could you make a straight shot of the complete door, with also the black frame ?
then i can use that for my piggybank ;)
Thanks !
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yea sure i can etienne
i wil take some pics of the complete door and wil send them too you ;)
this afternoon
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Thanks, Super ! :spaceace:
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Sinds i got most of the stuff now,think its time to make the cab empty.
so i can sand the front,filler it,and paint it.
Hope me paintshop can make the same color.
One thing i wonder ,i already lookt at belike his cabs,and i saw that the cabs have diffrent colors on the front.
Are does colors random for each cab,or did evry game had its own colors.
The cab is standing in me livingroom,and the front is a brown color,i prevere to make it black,but i dont got a cleu wat the original color was for a CK front.
does anyone know.
i olso gona take the monitor out of the cab.
and im a little bit affraid of that.
if i discharge the monitor,with a screw driver and a wire to ground,is that the way to do it , and how save is it,cos i understand that there is a lot of power on it.
and if i discharge it,will al the power be of the monitor or are there stil some parts that hold power,just wana make sure cos i dont like shocks ;D
if the monitor is out i probly gona give it a new cap kitt too,but i wil come back on that part later on.
and about the filler part,wat is good stuf to use for that,i always workt with metal so the wood thing is new for me
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As far as i know there is only 2 colors on the "mini zacc" (which is the one on my avatar)
The full uprights are the ones on belike's pictures
the mini's used brown for all, except for frogger, there they used blue..
(http://www.zzzaccaria.com/photos_www/2010/EbayDE_Frogger_NSM_2.jpg)
for monitor discharging:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=608.0
For the woodfiller, then you need to ask "master filler Ully" ;D
its something 2 components bondo or something
Hope me paintshop can make the same color.
Let us know what the colorcode is, at eurocade, Ully will bring his colorscanner, so i am curious what the two results say.
by the way, will you be attending Eurocade ?
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oke it stays brown then ;D
thnx for clearing that out etienne
about discharging i think i make the same stick as darthnuno ;D
just to be safe.
i wil post the colorcode here if i get one.
For the woodfiller, then you need to ask "master filler Ully"
its something 2 components bondo or something
yea i have seen his woodworking skils in a few topics verry nice work
but the name bondo doesnt say anything to me,or maybe we cal it diffrent here.
gona drive to the shop in a min maybe they know wat it is.
by the way, will you be attending Eurocade ?
i love 2 but i need 2 work that day,and i already took to much holidays this year :'(
wel of to the shop to get some stuff ;D
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time to discharge the monitor and take it out
my new tool
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1015.jpg)
scared to do this but need to be done
and of course wen i do it it goes wrong :'(
i placed the screwdriver under the anode cap,but i touched it and it already came of :-\
i didnt hear a pop so im not sure its discharged
i put the anode cap to ground and stil no pop.
the cab didnt get any power for 2 weeks,is it possible that there wasnt much power on the anode cap.
bit confused wat to do now,cos i didnt expect the anode cap came of that easy
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even if the anode cap is off, there might still be power in the monitor. always do the discharge a couple of times and wait in between the individual discharges!
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oke wil take me time for it and try to discharge the monitor a couple of times.
but i dont hear a plop sound,seen a lot of video's about discharge and always i hear a sound wen they do it .
dont wana get fried on me first project ;D
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Modern day TV's and monitors (and yes, the 80's monitors are included) discharge themselves within seconds after powering down. The manual discharge is done ONLY to be 100% sure that there is no charge anymore (in case the automatic discharge fails). So, it's perfectly normal to NOT hear a pop when you do it.
Also, if you take out a monitor in one piece (so you are NOT going to disconnect the HV cup from the tube) there is NO need to discharge it.
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Modern day TV's and monitors (and yes, the 80's monitors are included) discharge themselves within seconds after powering down. The manual discharge is done ONLY to be 100% sure that there is no charge anymore (in case the automatic discharge fails). So, it's perfectly normal to NOT hear a pop when you do it.
that makes me feel a lot better now thnx
Also, if you take out a monitor in one piece (so you are NOT going to disconnect the HV cup from the tube) there is NO need to discharge it.
i was planning to take evrything apart so i can clean evrything.
and sinds its out i was also thinking to do a cap kit on the monitor.
but nice to know you dont have to discharge if you only remove it in one piece ;)
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As long as you keep your hands off the HV cup there is no need to discharge if you take out the monitor "in one piece".
There are too many wild (untrue) myths about discharging CRT's.
I wish Mythbusters would do an episode on it....
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I wish Mythbusters would do an episode on it....
i wil send them a e-mail ;D
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Totally true, on this monitor (hanta 900) i did not hear a pop and my monitor was of for about 5 seconds when i did it.
so the auto discharge works i assume.
BUT, to be sure, i always stick the screwdriver under the cap, and after removing i put the connector of the cup also again to ground, just to be sure
I see you copied the "pattented Darthnuno discharge tool" ;)
No offence to anybody, but i think the "extention rod" makes it less accurate to work with, so i prefer a screwdriver without a rod, to have more control over what i am doing.
Like te one that gyruss uses :
(http://img560.imageshack.us/img560/8083/imag4027.jpg)
since you want to capkit it, its good that you discharged it, but like andre says, its not needed if you just remove the monitor with caution to not touch the HV parts.
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No offence to anybody, but i think the "extention rod" makes it less accurate to work with
yep you got a point there.
after all im glad that i took the monitor out so i can look at it a closer.
and i found some problems.
i think the reason me anode cap came out easy is because there is a leg missing
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1070.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1068.jpg)
one conector was loose from the pcb,it came out wen i wanted to pul out the conector
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1025.jpg)
so need to solder that again to the pcb
then i saw another conector
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1058.jpg)
its coming loose also,if i move it i can see the pins moving too at the solderside
so they need resolder too
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1049.jpg)
as etienne already said its the hantarex mtc 900
now about the anode cap can you stil buy those things new or
cos i dont got the feeling it fits tight anymore
and about the cap kits wat is a good place to buy from
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one conector was loose from the pcb,it came out wen i wanted to pul out the conector
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1025.jpg)
so need to solder that again to the pcb
Thats a common problem with this monitor ;D
Read this topic...
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2309.msg27967#msg27967 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2309.msg27967#msg27967)
capkits, they sell them, but what i always do, is make a list of the caps, and then just buy them in the electronics store.
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yea same conector that was loose here also ;D
capkits, they sell them, but what i always do, is make a list of the caps, and then just buy them in the electronics store.
right time to make a list then from all the caps that are on there.
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right time to make a list then from all the caps that are on there.
Andreas (Speleo_DE on this forum) already did that for us 8)
http://www.andysarcade.de/data/coinop/videogames/monitor_cap_kits/capkit_hantarex_900_ds3_v1.pdf (http://www.andysarcade.de/data/coinop/videogames/monitor_cap_kits/capkit_hantarex_900_ds3_v1.pdf)
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Andreas (Speleo_DE on this forum) already did that for us
nice ;) thnx for the link.
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Time to clean the boards,before i gona do the capkit :)
before cleaning
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1044.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1046.jpg)
after cleaning
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1095.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1086.jpg)
Nice and shiny again
at least i dont get dirty hands no more ;D
i took a better look at the anode,it seems there is nothing broken of :)
seems it was hold on place with melted plastic,and that broke of
So im gona try to put some super glue under the metal,and try to melt it again with plastic.
to hold it in place again.
just came from the shop and they didnt had all the caps :(
the guy at the shop is gona look if he can order them,and wil call me back
he didnt had the PS-Power-Unit Elko, Axial 330uF 250V C11
and DB-Deflexion D.S. (3) Elko, Radial 47uF 250V C72, C97
so i hope he can stil order them,and i get them soon.
and i already sanded the front of the cab a bit :)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1091.jpg)
wel time to get me soldering station and replace the caps i got now
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how did you clean that chassis? and why don't you remove the coin door? ;)
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he didnt had the PS-Power-Unit Elko, Axial 330uF 250V C11
you can ofcourse use a radial type and use a cable to connect it..
(that is if he has that in stock ofcourse)
Maybe you can "bend" the hv connector carefully so it will be fine again.
I would take out the coindoor by the way.... ::)
EDIT:
You beat me with your comment Ully :D
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and why don't you remove the coin door?
its already out there now :P
how did you clean that chassis
i started with ajax and a tooth-brush but the dirt didnt came of that wel.
then i tryd glassex same as ajax the dirt didnt come of easy.
the stuf that was on the board was verry sticky.
hmmm so lets see what i got in me kitchen cabinet.
then i was thinking amonia but nothing there .
then i saw a blue bottle spiritus,and it evaporates verry quick.
for the back of the pcb i used a bath towel put a tip in the spirtus,it wil be saturated.
then wait some time so the towel is moist again,and start cleaning
and for the side were al the caps are on,i used a tooth-brush with spiritus.
just rub it in verry good,and clean wit a towel.
but i got the idee that the spiritus and dirt stayed under parts.
it was sunday and shops were closed and i didnt had a air can or compresor
to blow it out of there.
hmmm after some thinking :-\
i came up with this
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1096.jpg)
and it did the job great ;D ;D ;D ;D
you can ofcourse use a radial type and use a cable to connect it..
he was telling me somthing like that too,but i wasnt sure about it and i just went for the same thats on the board.
can be second option if he cant get the original one ;)
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1096.jpg)
What? You got those kind of fishies that eat dirt ? Cool !
;D ;D ;D ;D
And Ajax. We all know Ajax is no good... never use it !
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Right after some soldering practise on a old pcb,time to get things out.
And check if they the same as the one that is on the list from andysarcade
Now i came with a lot of different ones.
So not sure wat to do now ???
I know that if i need a cap that is for example 25volt i can put a higher voltage one in there
Atleast i read it somewere,is this true
left is the list thats on andysarcade.de on the right my board
elko,radial 2,2uf 63v on c66 the one that is in my board is 100v
elko,radial 4,7uf 16v on c40 the one that is on my board is 40v
elko,radial 100uf 16v on c23 c94 the one that is on my board is 25v
elko,radiaal 100uf 35v on c33 the one that is on my board is 63v
elko,radiaal 1000uf 16v on c60 the one that is on my board is 25v
elko,radiaal 10uf 35v on c87 the one that is on my board is 40v
so these that on my board all have higher voltage then the ones on andysarcade
can i go 100% for andys list or is it better to go with the voltages that are on mine ???
all the rest have the same codes as andysarcade.de
also the shop called that they can get the 3 missing caps ;D
also i took a closser look to the solderside from the pcb's
i already found a lot of broken solderpoints.
and a lot of solderpoints were stuf is comming out.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1099.jpg)
the broken solderpoints i just resolder
but wat with the solderpoints were the stuff comes out,is it better to remove
al the old solder and do them again or
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think im gona wait til the other parts arive,and also get the same caps that are on my board,just to be save.
so that gives me some time to resolder and remove the sticky solder and do them again.
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I dont have time to check it for you now, but here is the service manual of the MTC900
it has schematics, the layout of the boards, and a partlist.
so i would check the values there, i assume in the manual they list the correct values..
Hantarex MTC900 Manual (http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/mtc900.pdf)
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yea that manual is better
i got the same but without the parts list.
thnx etienne ;)
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Solderings: ALWAYS renew them completely, i.e. suck away all the old solder and then make a brand new and shiny one :)
Voltages on (elko) caps: can always be HIGHER, NEVER lower. Sometimes factories ran out of a certain voltage and grabbed the next higher voltage version, or they modded it because of there were field problems OR someone has done a cap-kit before and could only get these values.
It would be safest to get the same values as now on your PCB, at least that can never hurt.
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I need to visit my mothers attic soon (where my arcadeshizzle is atm) and i have a spare chassis there
I can compare the values on that pcb and let you know the outcome.
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Solderings: ALWAYS renew them completely, i.e. suck away all the old solder and then make a brand new and shiny one
working on that one now ;).
im doing it with a copper wire but it not going that wel.
did also had a look at gama,praxis for desolder tools but they didnt had any :(
i saw that there is some sort of pen for it on internet,so i need 2 get me one i think.
It would be safest to get the same values as now on your PCB, at least that can never hurt.
that wat i was thinking too.
i get the 3 missing parts monday,so i bring also the same voltage caps that are on mine,just to be save.
so that gives me some time to renew a lot of solder joints,and broken ones ;D
and i just checkt the service manual of the MTC900
all caps are the same as andys exept one,but that dont mater cos hantarex says 16v at one,and andy says 25v
and as level42 just explaint that doesnt mater ;D
so now im almost sure that the list is oke
I need to visit my mothers attic soon (where my arcadeshizzle is atm) and i have a spare chassis there
I can compare the values on that pcb and let you know the outcome.
thats nice too offer etienne but i think im just gona put the same one there again,just for me feelings,but im 99% sure the list is oke ;)
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After some misfortune lately.
Its time to make some progres again on me cab.
After i cleand the monitor and chassi,and put new caps in
And made a lot of new solderpoints,i stil got 1 problem on 1 conector >:(
So i need to remove the monitor again,so i can see wat is going on there.
But i already saw that the picture was much better.
Me pcb is getting more problems.
So time for a new one.
Think it wil arrive in 2 weeks or so,didnt had any cash on paypal so its going from bank to paypal first :(
Sinds i already sanded the front of the cab,time to go too the paintshop,they put a meter on the control panel
but they coudnt read it ???
ive been to a lot of shops but no one was able to scan it.
strange
Did you scan your cab on eurocade etienne.
i found 1 shop he said he can make the color without scanning it,but im nut sure it wil be close to the original color then
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Did you scan your cab on eurocade etienne ?
I wanted, but i don't know if ully did bring his scanner or not,
so no i did not.. :-\
I guess its the high gloss finish that is causing the scan problems...
Finish your cab off with "Glitsa" (http://www.glitsa.nl/producten/vloeren/parketlak-pt) after painting, that is hard as rock , and high gloss like the original
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I guess its the high gloss finish that is causing the scan problems...
yea the guy of the shop also said somthing like that.
Did you scan your cab on eurocade etienne ?
I wanted, but i don't know if ully did bring his scanner or not,
so no i did not..
oke,then i just go back to the shop,and let them make the color without scanning and see how close it is to the original.
i didnt sand the control panel,so i got a nice piece to compare the color.
Finish your cab off with "Glitsa" after painting, that is hard as rock , and high gloss like the original
thats good to know thnx for the tip ;)
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I wanted, but i don't know if ully did bring his scanner or not,
i did, but it was resting comfortably in my car :-[
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I wanted, but i don't know if ully did bring his scanner or not,
i did, but it was resting comfortably in my car :-[
I also forgot to ask you about it in my enthausiasm from attending / crewmembering the event ;)
Well, maybe next time
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Time to spray some components
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1153.jpg)
i always use spray putty instead of primer
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1154.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1156.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1158.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1160.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1161.jpg)
now i let it dry for 2 days
only thing i need to do now is putting the old wires from me old coindoor,to the new one
cos there was only 1 light in me new coindoor.
if that is done i think i get stuck to go any further :(
i need to paint the cab,been to a shop and again no color match :'(
so we desided to sand the control panel a bit so the glos was gone.
but i just lookt at the paint but i dont think it any close to the original
also i was looking for some replacement t molding,but cant find any :'(
one good thing do,after a lot of waiting me money was finaly on paypal
so me new pcb is underway now ;)
and wen i got it i first gona play for some days ;D
also me crazy kong key ring is underway
so basicly im stuck at paint and t molding at the moment
just 1 thing cos i know you guys know more about joysticks than i
i had a joystick with Microswitch but i dont like the clicks you hear,so i wana go for a leafswitch joystick
now i read somewere on the form that suzo are good sticks,but i just look at there site but they dont got leaveswitch sticks :(
if its the good site that i look
http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/joysticks_amusement.htm (http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/joysticks_amusement.htm)
does someone know of a good leaveswitch joystick 4 way
i see a lot of joysticks and dont wana order 1 that later on is useles
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.....also i was looking for some replacement t molding,but cant find any :'(
Welcome to the club :-\ ;)
also me crazy kong key ring is underway
I did one myself, how does yours look ?
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/109.jpg)
i had a joystick with Microswitch but i dont like the clicks you hear,so i wana go for a leafswitch joystick
now i read somewere on the form that suzo are good sticks,but i just look at there site but they dont got leaveswitch sticks :(
if its the good site that i look
http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/joysticks_amusement.htm (http://na.suzohapp.com/joysticks/joysticks_amusement.htm)
does someone know of a good leaveswitch joystick 4 way
actually you want an 8 way, that does play more easy when you put the stick for example to up-right when walking towards a ladder, when mario is at the point he can go up, he will do when you do that.
so you dont need to time it exactly to put the stick to up to climb up a ladder ;)
anyway, best would be to look for a stick that uses a small hole, i know that the suzo's use a pretty big circle to mount it and then your plexi will not fit...
Original stick:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/7.jpg)
CP modified for a Suzo stick:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/plexipanel/3.jpg)
and here a suzo stick:
(http://gallery.me.com/andre.huijts/101018/photo/web.jpg?ver=13156023870001)
Oh, and before i forget, i got a suzo stick here that looks like the original (pin style) but its black, and not aluminium color, and also micro switch...
you can have it for free if you like ;)
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(http://gallery.me.com/andre.huijts/101018/photo/web.jpg?ver=13156023870001)
....yes A Suzo stick, but not the one you have :) That's my Q*bert stick. ;D
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I borrowed your pic :P
i could not find a pic of the "pinstick" that i have ;)
EDIT:
I borrowed another pic ;)
It looks like this :
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3570/3493534519_dec6725c29_b.jpg)
ps, nice marquee Ully ;)
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Well...there was 2 pics in the "for sale" thread where you found it ;)
Here ya go:
(http://gallery.me.com/andre.huijts/100872/DSCF7358/web.jpg?ver=13156036030001)
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Looks very familiar ;) ;D
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:).....
Now, did I really see a Gamma spray can in this thread ?? Mmmmmm....good luck ;D
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Dat zeg ik ! Gamma ;D
He did use a good label spray putty though... Motip :spaceace:
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.....also i was looking for some replacement t molding,but cant find any
Welcome to the club
yea think its gona be a pain to find somthing that looks like the original t molding.
think the only way is trying to restore the original t molding,sand it filler it and spray it,if that is possible
or maybe somthing like this
http://www.ostermann.eu/nl/startpagina-news/article/laserfaehige-kanten.html (http://www.ostermann.eu/nl/startpagina-news/article/laserfaehige-kanten.html)
i know that is no t molding but if the color is right it may be a option to
I did one myself, how does yours look ?
i dont know how my key ring wil look etienne,i orderd 1 from the guy on marktplaats,i think he is using the flyers to make them,not sure do
actually you want an 8 way, that does play more easy when you put the stick for example to up-right when walking towards a ladder, when mario is at the point he can go up, he will do when you do that.
so you dont need to time it exactly to put the stick to up to climb up a ladder
right 8 way joystick then ;D
anyway, best would be to look for a stick that uses a small hole, i know that the suzo's use a pretty big circle to mount it and then your plexi will not fit...
right so best is to go for a flat mounting plate then,i thought al joysticks had the same mounting plate
so i need to be careful then wat i wil order.
cos i dont wana make bigger holes and stuff in me control panel if it possible.
It looks like this :
thats a verry smal stick,thnx for offering etienne,but i think im gona go for a bigger one and with leafswitch.
maybe it is me old joystick but i didnt like the clicky sound.
also a lot of joysticks look to modern for the cab i think,so i think im going for a joystick with a ball on top.
somthing like this.
http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?sku=JOYRBLSNEW (http://www.mikesarcade.com/cgi-bin/store.pl?sku=JOYRBLSNEW)
so im gona look around a bit now for a new joystick.
and go further with me coindoor wirering.
and tomorrow again on hunt for paint for the cab
Now, did I really see a Gamma spray can in this thread ?? Mmmmmm....good luck
lol whats wrong with the gamma spray isnt that good or
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Well, I think you put it in an area where it won't be touched much so not too bad there.
My experience is that it's extremely weak. Slightest contact and it will go off...
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right so best is to go for a flat mounting plate then,i thought al joysticks had the same mounting plate
so i need to be careful then wat i wil order.
cos i dont wana make bigger holes and stuff in me control panel if it possible.
i think im going for a joystick with a ball on top.
As long as you can take the stick out, or screw the ball off youre fine, remember that the ball will not go through the plexi ;D
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Well, I think you put it in an area where it won't be touched much so not too bad there.
My experience is that it's extremely weak. Slightest contact and it will go off...
right i didnt know that,i only did the coindoor bezel and the marque and bezel plate.
oke so next time i wil not use any gamma paint ;D,normaly i always use motip,but they didnt got motip black at gamma.
As long as you can take the stick out, or screw the ball off youre fine, remember that the ball will not go through the plexi
good to point that out,so i need to watch that too ;)
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You were right level42 even after a long dry,things come loose verry quick >:(
Thats some real mess they sell there and it was the same price as motip black :o
So gona repaint them again monday with some decent motip paint.
And finaly after a long break me pcb arived,and i was walking with me dog :(,so now i need to wait til monday afternoon to pick it up
i wana play :'(
Wel back to me coindoor again,most parts were oxidated or how you cal it and some rust spots and dirt so time to take it apart
and sand the parts down and polish them a bit again.
before
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1140.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1166.jpg)
after
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1176.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1174.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1172.jpg)
that already looks a lot better
tommorow im gona rewire it again cos at moment the wires are a bit of a mess.
wel time for some beer now ;D
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Looking good !
reminds me of polishing and polishing, and after that ... polishing ;D
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase2/84.jpg)
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Paint it black ! It's easier ! ::)
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Paint it black ! It's easier !
Lol,no i like the shiny stuf ;)
reminds me of polishing and polishing, and after that ... polishing
ay it isnt i nice job,but if your done and see the diffrence :shock:,your glad you did it ;)
Finaly i got the new pcb ;D
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1182.jpg)
Right lets see if evrything is oke
After starting it up for the first time,picture didnt look good
So time to adjust the monitor,after 10 min i stil got a strange white line at the top of me screen,and
the bottom of the screen was dark.
It didnt get away by adjusting the monitor.
So i just get some movement on the conector thats on the pcb,and whala ;D
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1178.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1179.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1180.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1181.jpg)
mario got the right colors again monkey looks good ;D
so far evrythings seems to look oke.
Now its time to play it for a few hours to test it good ;D
After that i stil need to fine tune the monitor a bit,i saw that there were 2 brightnes Buttons.
so need to get a closer look at the hantarex manual
But for now its testing time ;D ;D
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after 4 hours testing the board has a problem again :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
i was playing and the screen jumpt to this
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/SAM_1184.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/Crazy%20Kong/spel/SAM_1183.jpg)
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
frustrating :-\ :-\ :-\ :-\
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I am not an expert, but it looks like a ram error
Do you have it running on the original powersupply ?
If yes, check the 5 Volt line, and is the fan working ?
Those original powersupply's tend to get hot of the fan is not working, so firts let it cool down and check again
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Do you have it running on the original powersupply ?
nop that wil be the last thing i gona restore,it is runing on a modern power suply for now
i have 5v al around the board.
i already put the machine out for 2 hours start it up again and it stays the same :'(
is there a way to test ram or do you need special equipment for that ???
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Thats as far as my knowlegde goes :-\
I have 2 boards with issues at RobinHolland for repair :P
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You were right level42 even after a long dry,things come loose verry quick >:(
Thats some real mess they sell there and it was the same price as motip black :o
So gona repaint them again monday with some decent motip paint.
And finaly after a long break me pcb arived,and i was walking with me dog :(,so now i need to wait til monday afternoon to pick it up
i wana play :'(
Wel back to me coindoor again,most parts were oxidated or how you cal it and some rust spots and dirt so time to take it apart
and sand the parts down and polish them a bit again.
before
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1140.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1166.jpg)
after
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1176.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1174.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1172.jpg)
that already looks a lot better
tommorow im gona rewire it again cos at moment the wires are a bit of a mess.
wel time for some beer now ;D
Looks splendid. What did you use do clean the metal and oxidation?
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What did you use do clean the metal and oxidation?
First i took sandpaper 180 on a sanding machine just as long that the spots-rust or oxidation is gone.
Then i sanded the parts with sandpaper 400,so the deep scratches go away.
After that i used a chrome & laque polish
and then its shinning like new again ;)
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Great work on the metal !
About the board: Carefully remove all socketed chips (one at a time), and firmly re-insert them. Then see what happens.
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Yeah, looks like i need to revisit the inside of my door again with sandpaper... ::)
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About the board: Carefully remove all socketed chips (one at a time), and firmly re-insert them. Then see what happens.
Tryd it but it stays the same
As far as i can see the board got a new cpu and some rams are new not al of them.
Think im gona send the shop,were i bought the pcb a e-mail maybe we can work somthing out
It wasnt a cheap board either >:(
I got a spare board for rams but havent got a cleu how to get those rams out ???
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normally i use this :
(http://www.kleinspul.nl/products_pictures/kniptang_gl_zt_120.jpg)
then i desolder the remaining legs out, and then solder this in:
(http://www.okaphone.nl/product/images/71.00.106.jpg)
after that you can put your new ram in there ;)
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Hey Solid, here 2 boards working for € 40,- ;)
http://link.marktplaats.nl/482852439 (http://link.marktplaats.nl/482852439)
I think they are from Rob...
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Hey Solid, here 2 boards working for € 40,-
I just got him on the phone ;D
They 40euro the piece
But i can get 2 boards for 60 euro ;)
I think they are from Rob...
He did mention this form wen i was talking to him
Seems a nice guy,i was planning to drive there but with petrol cost it get expencive again.
So he wil send them to me,and i pay 30 euro and wen i get the boards and they working 100%
i can pay the other 30 euro.
And if they arent working i can send them back,and get me money back
So that is a good deal i think.
I Just send him a mail with me adres and stuf
So its waiting again ;D
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I dont know the guy personally, what i do know is that the guy where i bought my CK, bought that CK in Lelystad, and the change that my CK is comming from rob 99,9% :D
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I wanted, but i don't know if ully did bring his scanner or not,
i did, but it was resting comfortably in my car :-[
I also forgot to ask you about it in my enthausiasm from attending / crewmembering the event ;)
Well, maybe next time
And the next time is soon.. ;)
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Thats great ;),hope you get better results than the paintshops around here
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Thats great ;),hope you get better results than the paintshops around here
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Finaly me 2 pcb's arived.
I spoke to the owner on monday he said he tested the boards and they were working.
So time to unpack and see wats in the box.
Board 1
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1186.jpg)
Board 2
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1187.jpg)
Hmmm in the ad it says original falcon boards
there isnt even a falcon logo on it :-\
And after a closer look at the boards i see a lot of ceramic capacitor broken or totaly missing :'(
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1188.jpg)
I wonder how the guy tested the boards,but i asume with that many ceramic capacitor missing
and broken that the board isnt working.
i just take the best looking board and desolder the wires from the conector,and replace some of the capacitors.
and see wat it does
but stil i dont like it that it isnt a falcon board
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Can't say I'm really surprised......
Those caps are only for filtering the +5v per section and the boards may very well run without them.
Still a good idea to replace them though.
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That is the same boot board that is in my CK now..
I have two originals in repair now, perhaps one could be yours if they get fixed.... ;)
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Those caps are only for filtering the +5v per section and the boards may very well run without them.
didnt know that thnx,so i now just gona take the wires from the board and see if they working.
Board 1 is running but with some strange colors and some letters in screen and some parts missing
Board 2 seems to run fine in atrack mode,dont got the coin door in so need to place it back again to
see how it runs then
I have two originals in repair now, perhaps one could be yours if they get fixed....
i also got 2 original boards here 1 board only got a ram error,i bought that board from andys arcade
but i dont got a cleu wich one it is that needs replacement.
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I still think it's f-ed up that he told you they were original Falcon boards. That really is a difference in value IMHO.
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I still think it's f-ed up that he told you they were original Falcon boards. That really is a difference in value IMHO.
Yeah, thats true, but it looks the same as my board, and it does show falcon on screen
probably like you said before, the bootlegger copied the complete content of the roms..
@Solidsnake:
You can maybe try to swap the roms one by one in your original board to locate the bad one...
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I still think it's f-ed up that he told you they were original Falcon boards. That really is a difference in value IMHO.
ay i agree even on the ad on marktplaats it says original falcon boards
but as etienne says it shows falcon in screen.
but no falcon logo on the board so probly a boot.
Think im gona give the guy a call later on about that the boards are not original falcon boards
and if we can do somthing about the price.
And that a lot of ceramic capacitor are broken and a lot are totaly gone.
I need to replace 50 caps on evry board,i just gona replace them all with new ones.
Also on 1 board wen desoldering the wires,the conector strips came off 4 of them
You can maybe try to swap the roms one by one in your original board to locate the bad one...
i got 2 falcon boards i already tryd to swap them but for some reason they didnt like the other board
but with the 2 boards i got now i can try to swap them in the original boards
i cant brake anything by doing that or
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I had the same with my two boards when i tried to swap the roms
but i did not have two exactly the same boards:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/crazykong/fase1/8.jpg)
One is FCK-01 (blue) and the other FCK-00 (green) so that makes sence..
they probably have two different romsets..
are the two boards you have the same ?
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are the two boards you have the same ?
the 2 original boards are the same both FCK-01
but wen i swap the roms from both boards things go only wors in screen
so it looks like the roms are diffrent also ???
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Are they the some type of Eproms ?
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Not sure level42
I think 1 and 2 are the color proms
Bec those 2 got difrent numbers then the other roms
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1189.jpg)
On both boards rom 3 to 14 are all HN462532g
So those al look the same type.
the 1 and 2 on the picture are diffrent on both boards i think
on me original board that came with the cab
1 = MBM2716 8130 E05
2 = MBM2716 8139 E96
On the original board i bought
1 = HN462716G
2 = HN462716G
Also on the picture yo can see that they replaced the ram above prom 2
i read somewere that its better to replace both rams if 1 is broken
is it possible that the ram above prom 1 is broken now
i got a ram eror on that board
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I cannot compare for you, i dont have my boards here..
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I have 3 different kinds of Ck pcbs, my original Falcon looks like this (the blue one)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-cDJZoW8SXOM/To327hptVqI/AAAAAAAAEvU/QPIIpJnZ8_U/s912/Ck%252520pcb%252520027.jpg)
It is marked FCK-01.
1=TMS 2516 JL MA 8009
2=TMS 2516 JL MA 8031
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Board 1 is running but with some strange colors and some letters in screen and some parts missing
strange colors: There is a variant of CK that has a very strange colour palette, you might have one of those...
letters in screen/parts missing: have you tried adjusting (increasing) +5V?
Make sure that no socketed parts are loose.
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strange colors: There is a variant of CK that has a very strange colour palette, you might have one of those...
letters in screen/parts missing: have you tried adjusting (increasing) +5V?
was thinking about the other variants of CK too,but it says falcon in screen so the colors must be the same as the original i think.
about the 5v,i didnt checkt bec the other board did run fine so i asumed it was good
but now you mention
Those caps are only for filtering the +5v per section and the boards may very well run without them.
Still a good idea to replace them though.
so i think that the board is getting 5v but sinds some ceramic capacitor are missing or broken
i think they dont all get 5v so those all need replacement.
And i found more things that need fixing on that board
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1190.jpg)
Wen desoldering the wires from the board some of the conection points came loose
but i also see a lot of bubbles or somthing in the tracks
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1193.jpg)
And they tryd to fix some things
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1191.jpg)
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1192.jpg)
So this board need some work i think
The other board works perfect,it only has broken and missing caps.
So i gona solder new ones in there today.
That way i got 1 working board again,and i can go further on me cab ;)
About the original board it got a ram error so i think im just gona replace all the rams that on there.
but sinds i got a working board now i wil do that wen i got some more time in the future ;D
right time to desolder 50 ceramic capacitor and put some new ones in ;D
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Those fixes look like factory mods to me, not uncommon.
THe bubbling is not special either I see that on loads of fine working boards.
The edge connector damage is another thing....a board that is sold as working shouldn't have that !
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was thinking about the other variants of CK too,but it says falcon in screen so the colors must be the same as the original i think.
about the 5v,i didnt checkt bec the other board did run fine so i asumed it was good
but now you mention
i assumed that too, but when i tested the two boards that i have i had a major voltage difference.
one board is just taking more current i think:
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2054.msg24486#msg24486 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2054.msg24486#msg24486)
Edge connector repair tutorial ;) :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb1YOtWotVg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLEE1EE3CF96A9D290 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jb1YOtWotVg&feature=results_main&playnext=1&list=PLEE1EE3CF96A9D290)
If you need cupper tape, let me know, i got a rol here ;)
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(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1190.jpg)
I think this can be fixed using this :
(http://www.foerch.de/documents/thumbs/-1994261373_20091407071103_800x800_Fit_0_0.png)
http://www.foerch.de/produkte/produktdetails.aspx?g=83197879-c019-4d55-9b13-07d756d92539&p=33e1660d-e659-4c36-9bf1-fe7f3c415893&js=1 (http://www.foerch.de/produkte/produktdetails.aspx?g=83197879-c019-4d55-9b13-07d756d92539&p=33e1660d-e659-4c36-9bf1-fe7f3c415893&js=1)
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Take 2 wires and use the unused pins on the pcb ;)
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That would make it non standard though...I mean you have to change your harness too.
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i think i gona do it the way as in the video etienne linkt
thnx for the input all
But the important thing is i got 1 working board now
So i can play so now and then ;D
If i got the new caps in,that board is 100% again.
i stil got some things to do on the cab so dont wana waist a lot of time on the boards now.
i already spent a lot of time on them.
And the weather is going worst and i stil need to spray some stuff.
better start on those boards on a cold winter day ;D
And if i got more time
Just took 34 caps out of the board,took all the solder out as much as i coud.
Burnt me hands on 3 places but they out ;D
and cleand it so i can put the new caps back in tommorow.
And play a bit ;D
Then back to the cab again.
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Right time to take all the caps out
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1194.jpg)
All caps out
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1198.jpg)
Time to get some new caps in,they didnt got the same looking ones,but sinds it a boot board i didnt care
about the fancy bleu color ;D
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1199.jpg)
53 caps later all caps in, time to solder them back in again.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1203.jpg)
After some time finaly all caps are in all looking good
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1200.jpg)
Time to put the board in and start it up
??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???
The screen is a total mess,sound is a big mess
Scratching back of me head
wats going on ??? ???
I replaced all roms and proms from the other board,stil the same >:(
Wat to do now (scratching head again)
The board was working before i started so time to get evrything out again :(
After some time desoldering things again,time to see wat it does now
Screen is good exept from the moving parts they blocks,sound is back again also.
Wait i replaced al the roms and proms,so evrything out again and put the ones in that originaly belong there.
Start it up again and yess game plays nice again,and all caps are out ;D
I checkt evry chip that on the board to see how the 5v lines are
And they all on 5,2v at the begining of the board and 5,0v at the end of the board
so that looks good
Can it do any harm to leave it like this without the caps in ;D ??? ??
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Its a Boot, so who cares ;D
Its Working ! so leave them bastards out 8)
they do look much cooler than the original brown pills though ::)
maybe cut one of the legs off all and just solder them in for show :D
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1 pcb are fixed :D
1 bad 6116 ram
1 bad 2114 ram
1 pcb to go :wink:
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Hey thats my CK ! ;)
Great Robin, you're the best ! :spaceace:
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1 pcb are fixed :D
1 bad 6116 ram
1 bad 2114 ram
1 pcb to go :wink:
Nice worksop you have there. ;)
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Woot postmen just arived and ques wat he brings ;D
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1248.jpg)
lets open the envelope first
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1249.jpg)
The cab stickers
Who :shock:they realy look good.
So wat is left
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1252.jpg)
The new control panel and the art.
I already took a little look at the control panel with the protective layer of a litle bit
And also that look verry good,it even has square holes in it for the bolts ;D
I didnt dare to remove the protective layer a bit to see how the artworks look
But it is probly verry nice too
Now i just need to look up how that you need to aply the art on the cp.
dont wana destroy the sweet looking pieces ;)
Thanx verry much etienne,for putting time and effort in to reproduce these pieces .
Now its time to look up how to aply the art on the cp
a verry happy ck owner here now ;D
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Glad it arrived fast and in good order !
You are one of the guys that where lucky to have a sticker that was on the testsheet that i could save, thats why you got 2 ;)
Becarefull to remove the protective foil though when you are going to install them, they wrinkle fast if you dont look out.
its real aluminium remember, not a regular sticker..
The printer gave the advice to install the CPU with a waterspray, and then squeez the water out with a squeegie, or something simular.
i have the idea to use this :
(http://www.formidotros.nl/formido/product_images/y/159/behangspatel_181501__96411_zoom.jpg)
Its stiff plastic, with a soft edge (ofcourse, otherwise you damage wallpaper... duh.. ) ;D
you can cut off a small strip of the art and practice on a piece of plexi... thats what i will do though..
the holes i would cutout later and also trimm the edge with this :
(http://atomic.s3.amazonaws.com/118264_400.jpg)
about the square holes, they are based on 4mm carriage bolts which are dificult to come by.
the originals are 4 mm though, so i dont know if you got those ?
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you can cut off a small strip of the art and practice on a piece of plexi... thats what i will do though..
Yea good point i better practice a bit before i start the real thing ;)
And i need to get such a knive too to cut the holes out
The printer gave the advice to install the CPU with a waterspray, and then squeez the water out with a squeegie, or something simular
I always did it that way wen putting large stickers on cars long time ago ;)
about the square holes, they are based on 4mm carriage bolts which are dificult to come by.
the originals are 4 mm though, so i dont know if you got those ?
Ay i got the originals bolts,newly painted black waiting for a cp ;D
And i just checked and they fit perfect ;)
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This will do also, and is available at any hobby shop or DIY store:
(http://cdn.dickblick.com/items/574/45/57445-1101-2-3ww-l.jpg)
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This will do also, and is available at any hobby shop
Nice i stil needed to go to the hobby shop here,for some new cardboard to make a new
monitor surround.
and such a knive now ;D
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And, did you buy the knive ? ;) ;D
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For those who are interested, i have a ck pcb for sale.
It's a falcon i think.
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For those who are interested, i have a ck pcb for sale.
It's a falcon i think.
You should post it to our "business area" section with some pics and a price. ;)
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And, did you buy the knive ?
Not jet,gona have a look this weekend ;).
Me fish tank was a mess so needed to fix things first there, and the yearly maintenance.
So i didnt have much time latly.
Think im gona work on the control panel this weekend,and paint the back of the cab,
So i can put on the sweet sticker again also.
For those who are interested, i have a ck pcb for sale.
It's a falcon i think.
If its a falcon board im intrested ;D
I bought 2 boards a month ago,the guy also said it were falcon but it were boot boards.
He said i get 30 euros back from him but i didnt hear anything anymore :(
So if its a original falcon board and it plays 100% im verry intrested
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So if its a original falcon board and it plays 100% im verry intrested
After some e mails and some pictures of the board.
It turn out that it was a original falcon pcb,and ron made a nice price ;)
I think it the same board as you got etienne green pcb fck 00
I just fired the game up and it works like a charm ;D
Thnx again ron,finaly a working original pcb ;)
the postmen was pretty quick to ;D
Now up to the shop to get me a exacto knife and cardboard for the monitor surround.
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Very glad you have a working board now :)
Now just some cleaning and it's shinny as new.
Also the postman make my day. All parts for the new DK cab arrived.
It's time to do a serious build now.
But that's for another topic.
Enjoy your ck and put a nice highscore on the board :D
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I just noticed that i didnt update me topic with the new control panel shame :oops:
I tryd to aply the control panel the wet way,but for some reason it didnt go as i had planed.
For some reason i had a lot of air bubbles under it,so i thought i ruind it :(
So i put the control panel away,thinking wat went wrong,after some time i took a look again and to my surprice
al bubbles were gone ;D
Now it only got a couple of air spots,i think im gona try to take a needle to make a litle hole to get the last air out.
Hope thats gona work.
Time for some pics ;)
The old and the new control panel
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/control%20panel/SAM_1286.jpg)
New control panel installed
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/control%20panel/SAM_1297.jpg)
And me dog found me 2 player button lol,so i need to get me a new one.
And i got a new joystick in there too now
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/control%20panel/SAM_1300.jpg)
Normaly there was a black dust cover with it,i didnt like that because it coverd the artwork under it,so i made one
from plexi.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/control%20panel/SAM_1302.jpg)
Looking good so far only after some playing i can see some marks already from the dust cover so need to figure out
wat i gona do about that.
And sinds the ball on the joystick is verry small i also took a bigger one,i only use that one wen im playing.
(http://i1206.photobucket.com/albums/bb442/solidsnake70/SAM_1314.jpg)
I personly prevere the big bal top over the litlle one.
I only need to make some new wire on the control panel bolts,some were damaged and then the control panel is ready :wink:
Things to do now
Cleaning the original power suply,need to look at Etienne topic,for the 5 volt thingy it is also missing on my power suply,there is somthing else there now.
And im thinkin too to chromium-plate the coin box,i hope i say that right,depends wat it gona cost
And i dont got coin mechs in my door,and some decals,so i need to look up were to get them.
Then the only thing left is some new paint on the back and front of the cab,and i realy hope i can find a shop that
can scan the front for the color code
And i realy need some more time for this hobby ;D
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I am glad it turned out good..
It does look very nice though.
I am not a fan of a plexi dustring, that will wear in the plexi for sure i think
anyway, great to see the repro on the cab !
What decals are you missing ? (i am printing on white soon... ;) )
I think i will also install another stick in my CK, because the original "pin stick" is not comfortable for playing..
The air / water bubbles go out indeed..
i quote the printers advice;
Wet the surface and sticker with a nozzle spray with water, just like you apply window foil
then drop the sticker on it and remove the air / water bubbles with a windowwasher/squeegy
After that the water will be pushed out and the little remaining will vaporate.
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I am not a fan of a plexi dustring, that will wear in the plexi for sure i think
yep you right after a few days playing i already saw some marks,i was thinking maybe take a round transparant sticker
and put it on the control panel so that way the sticker gets damaged instead of the control panel, or maybe just leave it away.
anyway, great to see the repro on the cab !
yea im verry happy with the result ;D cheers again
What decals are you missing ?
The plastic that says wat coins you need 2 put in
I got 3 but they are in DM green and gulden yellow and one with DIN
And i got 2 that are transparent
I was planning to get coin mechs for 0,20E OR 0,50E
So i need 2 of those in red
I already lookt on internet but can only find ones with $
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Ah, those:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/pics/coin/06.jpg)
Those are plexi and i only saw williams have the same as zacc did..
i was thinking the etikets inside of the coindoor :
(http://vectorlib2.free.fr/stickers/jpg/Zaccaria-CoinDoor-CoinRejector-vector-from-repro-by-etienne.jpg)
more info here : ;)
https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2468.msg31436#msg31436 (https://www.dragonslairfans.com/smfor/index.php?topic=2468.msg31436#msg31436)
Thinking about it.. most of it is covered by the metal plates... ::)
so the cutlines are not visible.... time to take out that saw and file ;D
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Those are plexi and i only saw williams have the same as zacc did..
Ay there was a williams door in mine,i got a original zac now,and they look the same ;)
im just gona google a bit,someone must sell those things with a euro print.
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I was planning to get coin mechs for 0,20E OR 0,50E
So i need 2 of those in red
I already lookt on internet but can only find ones with $
honestly, i don't think those exist in the form you want them - too modern!
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I see here they sell blancos:
http://www.pbresource.com/CoinDoor.html (http://www.pbresource.com/CoinDoor.html)
(http://www.pbresource.com/coindoor/wll-3a-7195.jpg)
Just scroll down ;)
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I see here they sell blancos
First order? We have a courtesy credit limit for phone orders until your account is officially opened of $50.00
so i dont think i can order there :(
I think im gona call some pinball shops here in the netherlands if they got them.
I also saw a guy on marktplaats,and he is coming from my city that sels coin mechs maybe he got some.
I do have 2 blank ones do,but there are a lot of scatches on them,maybe i can polish them a bit.
So basicly if i got 2 blank ones i can just print the,insert 1 token and put that one in or??
honestly, i don't think those exist in the form you want them - too modern!
Ay i maybe thought that the coin decals were stil the same,on the machines they sel now
but ques not
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well, they are printed from the back, like your CP (glue on print side)
For now i dont have this print jobs waiting, so the best i can do at this moment is a normal print on white vinyl with the text that you like and then stick this on the front. (i have the file so i can easy ajust the color and text etc etc.
in that case it does not matter what kind of plexi you take since it will be covered by the print.
if i got a backprint job, i can include some for you.
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I see here they sell blancos
First order? We have a courtesy credit limit for phone orders until your account is officially opened of $50.00
so i dont think i can order there :(
Actually you can order. He won't let you order for more than $50 on your first order by phone.
He usually sells on credit, you pay when you get the order, Except first time.
You have to pay via auctionchex or some other system though, he doesn't accept paypal or visa.
So, if you pay upfront, no problem.