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General Chat => 'Business' Area : Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: Muerto on April 09, 2010, 09:02:45 PM
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The guy (Allan from arcadeshoppen.dk) that i bought my monitors from can get all the ones you guys want!
He can get the following sizes:
19" - 20" - 21" - 25" and 29" in flat, and semi-flat (!!!)
If we team up like we did when we bought the cabs from Paul´s50 we can them even cheaper :) :) :)
so, what do you guys say?
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sounds pretty good, but we don't want to jump ahead of andre's efforts, do we?
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No 14" Muerto ?
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sounds pretty good, but we don't want to jump ahead of andre's efforts, do we?
Michael courteously asked if I was OK if he posted this, and I said sure ! My goal is to help us to (the best available) CRT monitors. So far, only a couple of responses from my contacts. Chasing them again this weekend.
@jcp: There are lots of Commodore 1084 or the Philips CM8833 (equal) monitors around, these are ideal if you need that size (might be 13" or 14" but they're great for a cabaret or cocktail).
Another one you can use is the Atari SC1224.
The commodore 17xx and Atari SM monitors are not suitable.
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Whatever the plan, I'm in for new monitors.
I got a mail from Allan (Arcadeshoppen.dk) following a simple question, and he seems to be a very kins & helpful person.
An "group order" with him seems to be a good option, but of course let's wait the reaction of all the members before ordering in a place or an other ;)
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André : thanks for the information, but I'm looking for an 14" Hantarex MTC 900E in order to put my Buggy Boy in his original setup. For the moment a Samsung monitor with polo pcb is in the place, at the right view of the Buggy Boy triple screen.
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Wait a minute, semi-flat ? Weren't the one's you got completely flat ?
I think I could live with semi-flat !
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Yes, the ones i got was flat....
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I just spoke to Allan, and he might be able to get 14" as well...
In order to get a better price, ha has to know how many monitors you guys want, so please write the number you would like :)
Of course nothing is ordered before we get a price.
Another thing is, that the monitors is shipped on a pallet, customized! (they don´t come in their own box :( )
so to be on the save side, pickup at Allans place is recommended.. - he lives close to the banish border :)
If there´s any questions, please ask :) - also i see if i can come up with some pics of the monitors :)
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also i see if i can come up with some pics of the monitors :)
That would be nice. As mentioned in André's topic, I would be interested in 4 or 5, semi-flat of course, depending on the price. It would be nice to know which chassis comes with them.
where is the Banish border? :D
If it would be the Danish border, than it still is quite a trip. no problem though, if we do it smart and don't go driving individually to pick up monitors. This should be done centralized, for instance for all dutch (or Dutch and Belgian) buyers. Something like that. It will save time and costs.
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erik's reply: +1
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Well, Michael, if you can have 14" Hantarex, I'm ok for 2 (or 3, if the price is good).
About the Banish border, I'm far away ... but maybe we can find a solution later.
And Erik's reply: +1 :D.
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btw, the brand is Thomson, and the chassis will be upgraded..
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What do you mean with the chassis being upgraded?
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Just to know, is there some indication of the price?
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Would +love+ to see a pic of the semi-flat tube.
And Thomson sounds like a pretty good brand to me....
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tadaaaa! - was working way to late to update anything yesterday...
First, it seems like the 19" tube can no longer be ordered :(
The prices: inclusive a better chassis than mine :)
14" monitor 999DKK,- minimum 5 stk
21" monitor 1249DKK,- minimum 5 stk
25" monitor 1449DKK,- minimum 5 stk
29" monitor 1649DKK,- minimum 5 stk
I did´nt get a chance to speak to allan after i received his mail, but im thinking the price will go down the more monitors we order.
@jcp
Allan has no problem in taking 5 14" monitors, if you only take 2 or 3 (he don´t mind having something in stock)
to clarify the "upgrade" in the chassis; the chassis i bought with my monitors, looks a bit cheap, so rather than buy something that is not ok, i spoke with allan, which wanted to upgrade the chassis to a better quality...
the pics:
14" tube:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/14inch.jpg)
21" tube
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/21inch.jpg)
25" tube:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/25inch.jpg)
Chassis 31079:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/Snv31079.jpg)
Chassis 31080:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/Snv31080.jpg)
The chassis that came with my purchase looked like this:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/mychassis.jpg)
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The curve on the monitor looks OK to me, but too bad that he can't supply 19" or even 20" monitors. :-\
About the chassis: which chassis (31079, 31080) comes with which size monitor (I have never seen such an 'empty' chassis like the 31080)? The breakout control PCB of the 31079 is convenient. What is the name of the manufacturer of both chassis?
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tadaaaa! - was working way to late to update anything yesterday...
First, it seems like the 19" tube can no longer be ordered :(
The prices: inclusive a better chassis than mine :)
14" monitor 999DKK,- minimum 5 stk
@jcp
Allan has no problem in taking 5 14" monitors, if you only take 2 or 3 (he don´t mind having something in stock)
Good news Michael, as I don't need 5 monitors :).
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They look like Wei-Yah chassis but I'm not sure (yet).
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I would like to know these values, following this picture on the 21" model :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/4sale/monitor_size.jpg)
A : the measurement between the two holes (from the center of the first hole to the center of the second hole° ?
B : Idem
C : the measurement of the visible picture diagonal
Thanks.
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Excellent question Bruno. We may be able to fit 21" in 19" spots...
I did find some hope for full monitors from the far east, with real round tubes and 20"....
Keep your fingers crossed !
P.S., if someone wants to take a business opportunity.....a 20' container fits 200 of 20" CRT monitors.....now all we need to know is the price.....
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I would like to know these values, following this picture on the 21" model :
(https://www.dragonslairfans.com/4sale/monitor_size.jpg)
A : the measurement between the two holes (from the center of the first hole to the center of the second hole° ?
B : Idem
C : the measurement of the visible picture diagonal
Thanks.
just wrote allan with your question.. :)
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update:
(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/monitor_size2.jpg)
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Thanks for the data :-* I'll check that tomorrow ;)
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The chassis are definitely Wei-yah (the new one's).
Ken Layton from the BYOAC forum says he has good experiences with them. (He's been repairing arcade monitors for about 30 years...)
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ok, thanks for the info André.
If we decide to buy from Allan here´s some ground rules...
The way it goes is that he places the order (3-4 days to confirm), he pays, and wait for them to arrive (2 months!) so it would take a while for them to get here (Denmark)...
Let´s wrap this up, if you like to buy some monitors, please PM me:
Size:
How many:
NOTE: Payment, half now - half when you pickup/receive. - payment details will be Bank Transfer..
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As I have most of my cabs in storage somewhere, and therefore am not able to check if 21" monitors fit in the following cabs:
Galaxian (or Pac-Man)
After Burner II
Galaga (or Ms. Pac-man)
Preferably without having to cut away wood or something, could someone tell me if this will work?
Michael, your supplier is sure that he can't get 19" or 20" semi-flat monitors? and should we also not wait for the outcome of the possibility that André is talking about above (real round tubes and 20")?
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Michael, which is the 14" chassis ?
André : thanks for the information, if you are a few web links, it would be perfect :).
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(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/monitor_size2.jpg)
ok, i've just measured on my gauntlet cab: A = 44 cm, B = 34 centimeters. one centimeter missing in each direction, so those probably won't fit!
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Allan just wrote if we where interested in buying 19" semi flat monitors....
He do not know yet if he can buy any, but if he could, the minimum numbers of monitors should be at least 16 pcs, or else the price will be to high..
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i thought he couldn't get any ...
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i thought he couldn't get any ...
He will see if he can find another seller....
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I'm in for a couple ! (3/4)
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I'm in for a couple ! (3/4)
+1
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sorry guys, spoke to him yesterday evening, and he can _not_ find any 19" :-[ :-[ :-[
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:'( And I believe that André can't get them either, at least not for a reasonable price (André did you contact Craig in the UK?). So changes to get them are even more worse then I thought. I expect best alterantive, despite the lack of horizontal width adjustment, are CRT TV's. Fortunately we have a 'rommelmarkt' in our village soon, there are always some used and proper sized tv's to find, for prices you can only laugh about (two beers are more expensive).
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Yeah the CRT TV's are thrown out by the dozens every day. However, I'd like to get some brand new tubes now that I've seen the Kortek.....
I may have found a source for cheap new CRT TV's near your place Erik, would you have time to drive up there some time to check it out ?
What about Craig Erik, did I miss something ? (more likely forgot something).
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What about Craig Erik, did I miss something ? (more likely forgot something).
I will send you the e-mail again.
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Michael, can he get the chassis loose as well and at what prices ?
Do they need high or low impedance yokes ?
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(http://www.opdenkelder.com/muerto/arc/monitor_size2.jpg)
ok, i've just measured on my gauntlet cab: A = 44 cm, B = 34 centimeters. one centimeter missing in each direction, so those probably won't fit!
I just measured a Hantarex and have about the same results. Would they really not fit ? It's not THAT much difference.
Any chance of getting the type (model) number of that CRT Michael ?
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just wrote him, but it seems you should buy 16 pieces at the time (chassis)
so, he thinks we should drop it..
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ok, i've just measured on my gauntlet cab: A = 44 cm, B = 34 centimeters. one centimeter missing in each direction, so those probably won't fit!
I just measured a Hantarex and have about the same results. Would they really not fit ? It's not THAT much difference.
Any chance of getting the type (model) number of that CRT Michael ?
Answering my own question: On the guy's site the 21" is mentioned to have a A51ELD031XA10 tube. The 51 stands for 51 cm, and that's FINE for us !
Remember that manufacturers started mentioning tube diameters by the outer sizes in later years. So 19, 20, 21" are almost always the same.
So, can we still get those ?
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if we order enough, (16 is the minimum he can get) im sure there´s no problem.
Ill contact him again tonight.
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Morning y'all,
If you come short to reach 16, I might be in for 2/3 as well.
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has just got of the horn with allan, and he says it wont be a problen as long as we at least buy 16 (he is willing to take a few (4 or 5) in stock) but the more we buy, the cheaper it gets.
_THOUGH_ if we are interested in buying we must decide in max 14 days (remember, it takes 2 months for the stuff to get here!!!) and he need to get some stuff for himself as well....
The chassis are coming in 7, 9 and 11 pinout, and he will gladly order some of those as well, the price for the cheap ones are 300DKK and the "expensive" ones is 400DKK (41€ and 54€)
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and how much are the monitors again if we manage to get the required 16?
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Answering my own question: On the guy's site the 21" is mentioned to have a A51ELD031XA10 tube. The 51 stands for 51 cm, and that's FINE for us !
André, you mean that these will fit in cabs like Pac-man, Ms. pac-man, Centipede and other classics?
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and how much are the monitors again if we manage to get the required 16?
Allan just wrote that we should minimum take 12 21", and the price for one monitor with the good chassis is 1249DKK (168€)
He also says that he will order 8 14" monitors (jcb, are you still in for 4??) price for each monitor with the good chassis is 999DKK (135€)
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i have a couple of monitors out at the moment (pac, defender, ...) and will try to take some more measures at the weekend to see if we could make them fit.
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Michael : 4 is too much for me (see my old messages), I need about 1 to 3 monitors in fact (14inch).
For the moment, I don't have enough information about the monitors in order to make decision (image quality is the most important parameter, see my previous messages about the chassis).
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ok, ill undestand, no worries
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Answering my own question: On the guy's site the 21" is mentioned to have a A51ELD031XA10 tube. The 51 stands for 51 cm, and that's FINE for us !
André, you mean that these will fit in cabs like Pac-man, Ms. pac-man, Centipede and other classics?
Well.......I can't guarantee anything. It's actually pretty strange. I just checked the CRT number on my brand new Kortek and it says A48. So that's 48 cm. in diagonal.
BUT, the tube on f.i. a Hantarex that I had around says A51, and I'm pretty sure the size of the holes for the bolts are equal on both. I have a feeling that somewhere in time, sizes started to be different while they really were not different.....
Since the CRT from Denmark is mentioned as A51 on his site (Michael could you confirm this) AND since the Hantarex also has a A51 you'd expect them to match, but it's very possible they don't match exactly. However, it should be possible to hack it in anyways right ? ;)
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i give him a call tomorrow
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Sorry to keep nagging you Michael, but are those chassis for high- or low impedance yokes ? Or is it possible to choose.
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Just spoke to Allan and he says it´s low impedance yokes.
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Allan just asked if it was low resolution arcade monitor 15Khz you guys (level42) ment??
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Any idea what a 19 would cost?
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... he can´t get 19"
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19" is no more. Current tubes are all 21" both ball and flat-screen.
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Hi all,
Any news on this? Are we in business, or still awaiting the details?
Cheers,
Barry
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still waiting for people to oder and see if we can hit the magic number (12-14)
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Well, as you know I'm still in the process of finding monitors directly from the far east, and finally on a good trail.
I guess people are on the brink because of this. My source _can_ deliver true "ball" monitors as they name them. The chassis are also Wei-Yah's.
I asked some more questions for details and a pro-forma order plus if it's possible to get a sample monitor to see if it will fit (very important) and judge the quality. Also asked what brand CRT's they use.
I'm aware this may be hurting Michael's offer so by any means, if you want to get it through Michael go ahead, I think his option may be more sure than mine. I mean, I will have to have a considerable amount (30 or so) to order to make it feasible.
OR we have to find someone with some spare money to invest in this deal for a full container.
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no problem André, i´m only asking for a friend, so it´s ok with me if the people will wait.
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I guess people are on the brink because of this.
That's correct.
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I know this thread is a logn way along... but I see these are going to use Wei-Yahs for the chassis.
have you checked these are going to do the job - I bought some of these a while back as "drop in replacements" for G07 chassis. Well yeah if you want a pincushioned monitor that'd make a vector collector laugh and the picture half the size!
So just warning you it'd be worth checking thoroughyl before committing.
If anyone wnats said "drop in G07 wei-yahs I have 10 of them gathering dust if your feeling brave ;)
Regardsless, keep it up and if these were proven to work perfectly I'd be intersted too!
Cheers RAv
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I know this thread is a logn way along... but I see these are going to use Wei-Yahs for the chassis.
have you checked these are going to do the job - I bought some of these a while back as "drop in replacements" for G07 chassis. Well yeah if you want a pincushioned monitor that'd make a vector collector laugh and the picture half the size!
So just warning you it'd be worth checking thoroughyl before committing.
If anyone wnats said "drop in G07 wei-yahs I have 10 of them gathering dust if your feeling brave ;)
Regardsless, keep it up and if these were proven to work perfectly I'd be intersted too!
Cheers RAv
Sounds like they have sent the wrong yoke impedance version ? For the record, I am either looking for a CRT + chassis combination OR complete monitors including frames. Of course I expect these to be 100% OK. That's also why I asked a sample.
By the way, why replace a G07 chassis, it's easy to fix and a great chassis....