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General Chat => 'Business' Area : Buy/Sell/Trade => Topic started by: Laschek on February 10, 2010, 08:17:11 PM
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Looking to buy (maybe trade) a PCB for a '79 Atari Basketball b/w cab. Working or non working (cab is empty :'()
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@laschek: why didn't you take the one which was offered to you on the american forum? well, i've made a reservation on that one now, hoping that we will be going to the belgium warehouse in february / march to pick up the machine. and in case the pcb isn't working or is missing, i already have a replacement pcb :).
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I had three offers (I think), one was too expensive and the others did not reply to my mails anymore! :evil:
So you are hijacking my wtb threads, you vicious bastard! ;D :wink:
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I had three offers (I think), one was too expensive and the others did not reply to my mails anymore! :evil:
So you are hijacking my wtb threads, you vicious bastard! ;D :wink:
Sure, cutthroat action :twisted:
Hmmm, too expensive? I think 80 dollars for a very old working pcb is an ok price. it's not a steal, but i'm absolutely willing to pay that kind of money as long as it's working. Of course, I''m pretty sure that's about 10 times as much as you've paid for the cabinet, right? ;)
I really can't remember that you had an atari basketball! how about posting a picture for us picture-addicted guys here?
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Yeah, 80 bucks is way too much for this PCB...
I can wait... :D
Ully, you start to worry me, first you forgot about Tank, now you don't remember the Basketball cab?? ;D ;)
Here it is, apart from the CP (and coin door, yes ;D) it is in rather good shape, everything is there except the pcb :-\
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Ully, you start to worry me, first you forgot about Tank, now you don't remember the Basketball cab?? ;D ;)
i know, i know - and it's getting worse every day ... ;)
Here it is, apart from the CP (and coin door, yes ;D) it is in rather good shape, everything is there except the pcb :-\
thx for the picture, that's in you cellar, right? that cabinet is a piece of art, look at the monitor-bezel setup. but you have to do something about this control panel, i wouldn't want to touch that :shock:
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80 bucks is a steal IMHO.
Those old B/W boards tend to be rare AND defective.
I've got an Atari Dominoes that is missing the board. I saw one for sale ONCE on E-bay. It went for over 100 bucks. Missed it because I too thought it was too much. Never seen another one for sale after that. Rare=expensive.
Working+rare=even more expensive.
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thx for the picture, that's in you cellar, right?
It might look like the cellar ;D but it's not ;)
It's the room where Crystal Castles is.
You do remember that one, do you? :D ;)
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80 bucks is a steal IMHO.
Those old B/W boards tend to be rare AND defective.
AND easy to repair, at least the Atari Boards, even I managed that a few times in the past (including an Asteroids Board), and I am by NO means an expert in electronics, still have to learn a LOT.
Rare=expensive.
Working+rare=even more expensive.
IMO, this is put a little too simple, it depends absolutely on what it is. There is stuff that is really rare that nobody wants because it's not considered "cool"/"a grail"/"classic".
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80 bucks is a steal IMHO.
see? ;) that's why i reserved it!
It's the room where Crystal Castles is. You do remember that one, do you? :D ;)
yeah! that's where the pole position cockpit and the qix are in. perhaps i was too impressed by the size of the pinball that is in there that i forgot about the basketball. or perhaps i don't remember because we couldn't turn it on. difficult to do without a pcb, right?
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80 bucks is a steal IMHO.
see? ;) that's why i reserved it!
I have never spent half as much for any PCB so why do it now? ;D
(Actually I did, but I think on exactly ONE occasion ;D)
yeah! that's where the pole position cockpit and the qix are in. perhaps i was too impressed by the size of the pinball that is in there that i forgot about the basketball. or perhaps i don't remember because we couldn't turn it on. difficult to do without a pcb, right?
Yes, that's the room. At least you remember the pin :D ;)
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I have never spent half as much for any PCB so why do it now? ;D
(Actually I did, but I think on exactly ONE occasion ;D)
that's because you've always bought your pcbs in bulks of 1000 ;)
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that's because you've always bought your pcbs in bulks of 1000 ;)
That might be the reason, though not quite 1000s :wink:
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So, any chance of a Dominos PCB in these 100's ?
;D
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So, any chance of a Dominos PCB in these 100's ?
;D
Actually I have one!
It's inside the Dominos cocktail table! ;D :wink:
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So, any chance of a Dominos PCB in these 100's ?
;D
Actually I have one!
It's inside the Dominos cocktail table! ;D :wink:
hey, that would make a nice collection: an atari basketball WITHOUT pcb next to a dominos cocktail WITHOUT pcb - you should defitinely give it to andre! ;)
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hey, that would make a nice collection: an atari basketball WITHOUT pcb next to a dominos cocktail WITHOUT pcb - you should defitinely give it to andre! ;)
Brilliant idea!
I never play the games, so I don't need the pcbs anyway.
And I could print a screenshot and slap it onto the cab so I can get rid of the monitors as well.
Wait, I just make cardboard cutouts of the games and start a happy life!
;D
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I never play the games, so I don't need the pcbs anyway.
And I could print a screenshot and slap it onto the cab so I can get rid of the monitors as well.
Wait, I just make cardboard cutouts of the games and start a happy life!
OR - even better - sell your games to someone who actually plays them and live an even happier life with all that money you make ;D
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For a second I honestly thought I'd scored a Dominos PCB.....
You got me good Laschek ! :?
Of course you never play those games, but that's not the point is it ? It's a museum peace. It's a part of arcade history. It's the one raster pre-80's B/W game that every gameroom needs to have to be a serious gameroom.......
:D
How difficult can it be to put that handful of TTL chips in a FPGA ?
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OR - even better - sell your games to someone who actually plays them and live an even happier life with all that money you make ;D
Bad Idea, because I would invest everything in beer :D
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For a second I honestly thought I'd scored a Dominos PCB.....
You got me good Laschek ! :?
Be prepared that it wasn't the last time!
Just kidding! :D ;)
Of course you never play those games, but that's not the point is it ? It's a museum peace. It's a part of arcade history. It's the one raster pre-80's B/W game that every gameroom needs to have to be a serious gameroom.......
:D
That is exactly what I think too. B/W games deserve much more love than they usually get!
How difficult can it be to put that handful of TTL chips in a FPGA ?
Pffft, that wouldn't be the same, would it? Like using Mame...
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How difficult can it be to put that handful of TTL chips in a FPGA ?
Pffft, that wouldn't be the same, would it? Like using Mame...
No, actually it would be EXACTLY the same. An FPGA is like 1000 TTL chips in one, the number of cels varies with the type of chip of course. So you program every TTL chip from the original board + the traces between them into one FPGA. That means you get 100% the same game (there is no CPU), no emulation like mame is involved :). I guess you would only need a few transistors, capacitors and resistors for the audio and video amplification etc...
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How difficult can it be to put that handful of TTL chips in a FPGA ?
Pffft, that wouldn't be the same, would it? Like using Mame...
No, actually it would be EXACTLY the same. An FPGA is like 1000 TTL chips in one, the number of cels varies with the type of chip of course. So you program every TTL chip from the original board + the traces between them into one FPGA. That means you get 100% the same game (there is no CPU), no emulation like mame is involved :). I guess you would only need a few transistors, capacitors and resistors for the audio and video amplification etc...
Sounds like a "scratch build" to me ;D
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No, in theory you "copy" the schematics into 1 single chip. You use software to design it and then "burn" a FPGA chip to carry all the original hardware functions. You use blocks that perform functions like f.i. the 74 series of chips, but even processors like Z80 are in there.
However, IMHO the processor block IS emulation.
I think Jrok did it exactly right with the multi-willams: use a real processor and only put the surrounding hardware on the FPGA (http://www.jrok.com/hardware/wsf)
Of course, with ye olde' black&whities we mostly don't need no stinkin' proc. ;)
If only I had triple the time I have now I would learn to work and design FPGA's. I'd love that....
Here's an interesting site about FPGA converted arcade hardware: http://www.fpgaarcade.com
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So, since you don't have a cpu with your B/W board, it's still no emulation :) (that was my point)
For my final test (eindwerk) at school I had to program an FPGA. Only simple logic stuff though, first I had to design a logic circuit, then design a pcb for it with 74xx and design a pcb with one FPGA. Was a cool project to learn what FPGA's are all about. Although since it was only logic stuff the same could have easily been achieved with a CPLD.
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Aha, so you just have to add a couple more 74's and you're done building your Dominos FPGA ;) ;) ;)
Indeed no emulation is the key for me with this technology. And instant on, like a real PCB....I really don't like arcade games that need to boot....sorry.
Since we've got programs that can recognize music tracks (shazam) why can't we have a program that traces a scanned schematic and turns it into a FPGA ? HAH ! I guess I must patent this idea.....not that I can get it done, but if someone else does it I can still earn good money ;)
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Aha, so you just have to add a couple more 74's and you're done building your Dominos FPGA ;) ;) ;)
Indeed no emulation is the key for me with this technology. And instant on, like a real PCB....I really don't like arcade games that need to boot....sorry.
Well, you've got me thinking....because of the economic crisis I only have to work every other week now, so an arcade related project would be cool. :)
So I looked up the Dominoes manual and there is a microprocessor page in the schematics. I don't know what cpu it is, the pages are hard to read (scan quality). It's part 90-6009. I really would like to give a game reproduction a try, but not with a microprocessor to start with :).
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That is indeed very interesting stuff!
Nevertheless, it would NOT be the same simply because it wouldn't be an original PCB :wink:
BTW, many B/W games use a CPU, the one in Dominos is a 6502.
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O, you're right almost forgot...I think most of them actually used one, only the paddle style games probably not (like Breakout).
Well if I have the following options:
1) Wait till I'm 100 to find an original Dominos PCB
2) Get a FPGA board working in the machine
3) Run a MAME PC in the machine
It would be easily option 2. I don't see me spending an entire PC on a game like that.But you're right for originality's sake I'd prefer an original board, but as mentioned, they are close to impossible to find....
Atari tended to always use 6502's. Well, how about Breakout then ? That's a nice game and no proc...
Looks like that guy is developing a surrounding basic hardware that handles all I/O so you don't have to worry about that and instead can focus on the game hardware itself.....would be cool if these boards will be available for sale....
By the way, did we de-rail this thread ?
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By the way, did we de-rail this thread ?
Yes.
In fact reproducing a game with a real cpu, ram and fpga/cpld would be a bootleg....
I think we need to join forces and start developing bootlegs :P
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Eehm, still looking to buy a Basketball PCB ;D
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why don't you write again to the guys who haven't replied the first time?
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I did that...
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Andre,
P-man has a Dominoes pcb.
Oliver
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@Alpha1
did you have a Fast Freddie PCB for sale?
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@Alpha1
did you have a Fast Freddie PCB for sale?
I'll check.
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Anyone got a Basketball PCB? :D ;D
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@laschek: i guess you won't get
laid ;) lucky here, KLOV would be my choice if i were you!
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@laschek: i guess you won't get laid ;) lucky here, KLOV would be my choice if i were you!
Never thought of THAT option! ;D :D ;)
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see, that's why you have me 8)
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I believe P-man (Andy) has a Basketball pcb also.
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Andre,
P-man has a Dominoes pcb.
Oliver
Thanks Oliver, wasn't it you who actually showed interest in my Dominos machine ? Man we could have brought it ! :S As mentioned, it is free to a good home...
P.S. Lascheck is still looking for a Basketball PCB I hear...... ;D ;D ;D
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Yeah it was, but to be honest I have to much stuff as it is. I would have not done much with it. You should get the pcb and restore it.
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I understand completely Ol, no problem. I PMed P-man but although he does have a board he says it's not for sale and not working and he can't find it.....
:-\
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Thats 3x bad luck :-[
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Annual bump, still looking for an Atari Basketball PCB ;D
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You mean this sir ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170613856034
Or put an Atari 8-bit machine in there, throw in this cartridge:
(http://www.old-computers.com/museum/software/atari_atari800_basketball_cart_1.jpg)
and be done with it. It's almost the same as the arcade version.... :)
By the way, look here and scroll down....looks like someone has parted out a Basketball and is selling out...
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You mean this sir ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170613856034
Exactly! ;D
Thanks! Hm, ships to USA... Let's see ;)
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:D
Poor luck...was searching for that Atari 8 bit cartridge and found that page. The video on it is pretty bad though, this one is much better:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xinii027NG8
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You mean this sir ?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=170613856034
Exactly! ;D
Thanks! Hm, ships to USA... Let's see ;)
There are a lot of helpful friend of ours here from the U.S.A. ;)
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I meant that I found the e-bay listing through this site....nice info...
http://www.old-computers.com/museum/software_detail.asp?id=648
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Hmmm he also has something for the laser-heads amongst us...: http://cgi.ebay.com/Computer-Games-magazine-April-1984-issue-/170614853367?pt=Magazines&hash=item27b9700ef7#ht_1135wt_1141
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@laschek: if you're not going for it, i'm game - just let me know so that we don't outbid ourselves!
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There are a lot of helpful friend of ours here from the U.S.A. ;)
I know ;)
But first I'll try to ask a friend who works for the US military here in Germany. He has a military address which means shipping is handled like inside the USA, including the costs ;D
Bad thing is, I haven't heard from him for a full year! :o
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@laschek: if you're not going for it, i'm game - just let me know so that we don't outbid ourselves!
Of course I'm going for it! ;D :D
Contacting Hagen right now! ;)
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There are a lot of helpful friend of ours here from the U.S.A. ;)
I know ;)
But first I'll try to ask a friend who works for the US military here in Germany. He has a military address which means shipping is handled like inside the USA, including the costs ;D
Bad thing is, I haven't heard from him for a full year! :o
Mmmm, sounds familiar....I think that was the plan with some Berzerk CP's too.....never materialized. Don't let this go on the shipping costs, you know how damn rare they are AND it's WORKING ! :)
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Hm, don't know about those Berzerk CPs? ???
Anyway, I contacted the guy, he owes me a favour anyway ;), but it's possible that he changed jobs and is not working for the US military anymore.
Hm, I totally forgot that I have a cousin living over there, maybe I should already find out her address? ;D